BCN sales figures for ILC, december 2019.

surfar · 01-19-2020, 02:39 PM

Canon 33.6
Nikon 19.2
Sony 17.5
Olympus16.1
Fuji 6.9
Panasonic 5.9

the rest 0.8

BCN is simply the over the counter and online sales figures of the major camera stores in Japan.The figures will differ from total Japanese sales.

Olympus does well in their home market.

**Serkevan** · 01-19-2020, 04:00 PM

So Ricoh/Pentax is around 0.5%. Oof...

**RobA_Oz** · 01-19-2020, 04:20 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

Canon 33.6
Nikon 19.2
Sony 17.5
Olympus16.1
Fuji 6.9
Panasonic 5.9

the rest 0.8

BCN is simply the over the counter and online sales figures of the major camera stores in Japan.The figures will differ from total Japanese sales.

Olympus does well in their home market.

I wonder if they’re making a profit with home market sales.

Originally posted by Serkevan

So Ricoh/Pentax is around 0.5%. Oof...

I suspect they are making a profit. Size doesn’t count for everything.

**Serkevan** · 01-19-2020, 04:40 PM

It certainly doesn't; but since the R&D cost per product is roughly fixed, larger absolute revenue increases the amount of products that can be developed.

**RobA_Oz** · 01-19-2020, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

It certainly doesn't; but since the R&D cost per product is roughly fixed, larger absolute revenue increases the amount of products that can be developed.

I suspect we both wish that Ricoh would throw a bit more speculative money into Pentax product development, but they're playing hardball with funds for the moment, and it seems to be working, at least for the moment.

Mistral75 · 01-20-2020, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

So Ricoh/Pentax is around 0.5%. Oof...

That's ILCs = DSLRs + mirrorless cameras. The Japanese market was split 33% DSLRs / 67% mirrorless cameras in 2019 according to shipments reported to CIPA.

BCN credit Ricoh of 2.4% of the Japanese DSLR market for the whole year 2019 (see their 2020 Awards).

**Serkevan** · 01-20-2020, 01:57 AM

I figured so, but still a MILC sold typically means a DSLR not sold, right?

Kunzite · 01-20-2020, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

I figured so, but still a MILC sold typically means a DSLR not sold, right?

Nope.
Would you be as likely to replace a D500 or a D850 with... well, you don't even have a replacement. OTOH the MILC market has quite a few new products...

**Serkevan** · 01-20-2020, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Nope.
Would you be as likely to replace a D500 or a D850 with... well, you don't even have a replacement. OTOH the MILC market has quite a few new products...

Well, *I* wouldn't. But if I decided to replace or upgrade and bit the mirrorless bullet, I certainly would buy a MILC instead of the DSLR, not in addition to. And clearly a lot of people are doing that. Whether we like it or not we are more or less insignificant, statistically.

Kunzite · 01-20-2020, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Well, *I* wouldn't. But if I decided to replace or upgrade and bit the mirrorless bullet, I certainly would buy a MILC instead of the DSLR, not in addition to. And clearly a lot of people are doing that. Whether we like it or not we are more or less insignificant, statistically.

You might want to read that again... you're basically saying, if you'd want to buy a MILC you'd buy a MILC

**RobA_Oz** · 01-20-2020, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

I figured so, but still a MILC sold typically means a DSLR not sold, right?

...and conversely.

**Serkevan** · 01-20-2020, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

...and conversely.

Well, in my case there is no way I'm buying a MILC, with or without DSLRs in the picture

**RobA_Oz** · 01-20-2020, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Well, in my case there is no way I'm buying a MILC, with or without DSLRs in the picture

Actually, in my case, I did buy a MILC. Just to see where things are going, I bought an Olympus OM-D EM5 II on runout. It's a nice, little, easy-to-carry camera, but the IQ isn't really a patch on the K-1 (not that I expected it to be), or even the K-3, but it's easy and better IQ than a phone, not to mention that it came with two zoom lenses. The EVF? OK, but not a game-changer.

01-19-2020, 02:39 PM	#1
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	BCN sales figures for ILC, december 2019. Canon 33.6 Nikon 19.2 Sony 17.5 Olympus16.1 Fuji 6.9 Panasonic 5.9 the rest 0.8 BCN is simply the over the counter and online sales figures of the major camera stores in Japan.The figures will differ from total Japanese sales. Olympus does well in their home market.

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Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	So Ricoh/Pentax is around 0.5%. Oof...

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RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	Originally posted by surfar Canon 33.6 Nikon 19.2 Sony 17.5 Olympus16.1 Fuji 6.9 Panasonic 5.9 the rest 0.8 BCN is simply the over the counter and online sales figures of the major camera stores in Japan.The figures will differ from total Japanese sales. Olympus does well in their home market. I wonder if they’re making a profit with home market sales. Originally posted by Serkevan So Ricoh/Pentax is around 0.5%. Oof... I suspect they are making a profit. Size doesn’t count for everything.

01-19-2020, 04:40 PM	#4
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	It certainly doesn't; but since the R&D cost per product is roughly fixed, larger absolute revenue increases the amount of products that can be developed.

01-19-2020, 07:40 PM	#5
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	Originally posted by Serkevan It certainly doesn't; but since the R&D cost per product is roughly fixed, larger absolute revenue increases the amount of products that can be developed. I suspect we both wish that Ricoh would throw a bit more speculative money into Pentax product development, but they're playing hardball with funds for the moment, and it seems to be working, at least for the moment.

01-20-2020, 01:32 AM	#6
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,525	Originally posted by Serkevan So Ricoh/Pentax is around 0.5%. Oof... That's ILCs = DSLRs + mirrorless cameras. The Japanese market was split 33% DSLRs / 67% mirrorless cameras in 2019 according to shipments reported to CIPA. BCN credit Ricoh of 2.4% of the Japanese DSLR market for the whole year 2019 (see their 2020 Awards).

01-20-2020, 01:57 AM	#7
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	I figured so, but still a MILC sold typically means a DSLR not sold, right?

01-20-2020, 11:19 AM	#8
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Serkevan I figured so, but still a MILC sold typically means a DSLR not sold, right? Nope. Would you be as likely to replace a D500 or a D850 with... well, you don't even have a replacement. OTOH the MILC market has quite a few new products...

01-20-2020, 11:27 AM	#9
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Kunzite Nope. Would you be as likely to replace a D500 or a D850 with... well, you don't even have a replacement. OTOH the MILC market has quite a few new products... Well, I wouldn't. But if I decided to replace or upgrade and bit the mirrorless bullet, I certainly would buy a MILC instead of the DSLR, not in addition to. And clearly a lot of people are doing that. Whether we like it or not we are more or less insignificant, statistically.

01-20-2020, 11:29 AM	#10
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Serkevan Well, I wouldn't. But if I decided to replace or upgrade and bit the mirrorless bullet, I certainly would buy a MILC instead of the DSLR, not in addition to. And clearly a lot of people are doing that. Whether we like it or not we are more or less insignificant, statistically. You might want to read that again... you're basically saying, if you'd want to buy a MILC you'd buy a MILC

01-20-2020, 01:09 PM	#11
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	Originally posted by Serkevan I figured so, but still a MILC sold typically means a DSLR not sold, right? ...and conversely.

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01-20-2020, 01:16 PM	#12
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by RobA_Oz ...and conversely. Well, in my case there is no way I'm buying a MILC, with or without DSLRs in the picture

01-20-2020, 01:23 PM	#13
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	Originally posted by Serkevan Well, in my case there is no way I'm buying a MILC, with or without DSLRs in the picture Actually, in my case, I did buy a MILC. Just to see where things are going, I bought an Olympus OM-D EM5 II on runout. It's a nice, little, easy-to-carry camera, but the IQ isn't really a patch on the K-1 (not that I expected it to be), or even the K-3, but it's easy and better IQ than a phone, not to mention that it came with two zoom lenses. The EVF? OK, but not a game-changer.