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09-11-2020, 01:14 PM - 1 Like   #1
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$ony A7 Compact FF



Well how small do they want a FF to go?

In a few days a 24mp,single carded APSc sized body.

Specs are similar to the almost 3yo A7lll but it has a fully articulating screen like A7slll.Updated AF,a corner EVF.A few more bells and whistles.

Lightish @ 509grams,fast enough with 10fps.

A new kit lens 28-60 that is collapsible.

U$ 2000ish.


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As it already is, the current a7/a9 series start to cramp my hands when I hold them & now they're trying to make them even smaller? Not to mention that trying to squeeze your fingers between the lens & the grip is already tight enough. I take it that this new camera is aimed at kids?

They need to go bigger so that some of us can hold them comfortably.
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I take it that this new camera is aimed at kids?
Or females?
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Compare this to an ME Super...

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They already had the 42MP RX-1R II design,which was the most compact FF on the market, I think. Now with interchangeable lenses.
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I love the size of it. Knew killer (please proceed to chew my nuts off)?
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I love the size of it. Knew killer (please proceed to chew my nuts off)?
Depends on price of Knew?....Will a compact FF overheat?
09-12-2020, 12:31 AM   #8
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I love the size of it.
In hand, it looks very similar to the existing RX1R II.


Will probably be much cheaper too.
I guess the RX1R II is now on death row.

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The question is always with the lenses.

No matter how small the body is, the lenses couldn't be too small.

A small body with big lenses would be a worse nightmare.
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... shame they can't defy the laws of physics and reduce the lens' size. Can't help thinking it will handle and look a little silly with a long lens.

Having spent most of my career in software development, I would sometimes groan when marketing came up with their latest great idea and we had to implement it. Just because technology makes things possible does not mean it's a great idea. Just saying ...
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Some FF lenses are small enough. As Pentaxians we know about that FA43mm ltd right. The "lenses are huge" argument against MILC is nonsense. There is range of lenses available and the point is you get to choose if you want to carry light or maximize IQ by switching lens. It seems the huge lens trend is beginning to fade (not great timing by Pentax) so there will likely be even more compact options available in the future.

Most Pentax forums users have more than one camera. With developments like this you can have two FF cameras using the same mount but enabling different shooting envelopes. I'd say this is a very good development. Pentax has the apsc option which is good but the cameras are still quite heavy and large. Personally I don't mind weight as much as size/thickness but I'd love to see a KPII that is a bit more minimalist and thinner.

Saying that with the GRII, the K-3II and the K-1 all my bases are more that covered till the GR breaks down. Only significant improvements to the shooting experience or IQ will have me buy another camera.

Edit: just to add that the new sony looks terrible and unpleasant.

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Well Pentax also has those RE lenses. They are aps-c thou. What is great with Pentax is that there is great ergonomics. This little thing does not really seem to be like that. It is for v-loggers who hold camera at arms length. Or on top of gimbal. Sure with small lenses it is small. Big FF G master lenses, not so small and it has cramped places for fingers.

Depends a lot what one likes...
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It looks nice, at least with primes. Does seem like it wouldn't be great ergonomically with anything bigger. I shoot lots with f2.8 zooms and mounting them on my daughter's K S-1 is not an enjoyable shooting experience. This looks similar in that respect.
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I routinely shoot an A6300 with adapted Pentax M primes which makes an nice little carry around package. The idea of FF in the same form factor is intriguing. I did go up and grab my ME Super as UncleVanya suggested to compare size and found it is almost identical to my A6300 with a small L-Bracket installed. Bear in mind the Super doesn't have a grip so its in theory even harder to hold. Whether something like the A7C finds its way into my bag someday is another story. I rented an Sigma 100-400 for the A6300 and the shooting experience was awful. For me, it would serve as a mount for adapted lens and I'm not sure I could justify the cost.
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I have an A7 body primarily for using my Pentax-M lenses, which were intended for the smaller ME-MX bodies. They work very well on the A7. The Sony menus & such don't bother me, as I have it set the way I want and don't mess with them.
I'm not as steady at 74 as I was when the MX was new, so I may get an A7III body to replace the plain A7.
I have no interest in new (autofocus) lenses, so the small body is ideal for me.
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