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**Fontan** · 10-05-2020, 01:32 PM

It was announced in 2018.

ZEISS ZX1 Digital Camera B&H Photo Video

What I would LOVE is a FA 31 ltd stuck on a small FF body that cost about $2,000 as a fixed lens camera. That will kill Leica Q2. As for this Zeiss costing $6,000 - what are they thinking ? Bigger than Q2, and with a lens not as fast as that of Q2, and the thing is bigger in size than Q2. A7c costing mere $1,799 (without a lens), who would buy it at $6,000???

Last edited by Fontan; 10-05-2020 at 02:08 PM.

**boriscleto** · 10-05-2020, 02:15 PM

I see Canon is pushing their "most compact FF mirror less" with a 24-105 f4-7.1...

**BigMackCam** · 10-05-2020, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

I see Canon is pushing their "most compact FF mirror less" with a 24-105 f4-7.1...

Goodness me, that's a pretty restrictive maximum aperture. I hope it's good wide open

ALLCAPS · 10-05-2020, 02:59 PM - **1 Like**

$6,000 coupled with the ergonomics of an hors devours plate. No doubt the glass is top notch, but I see form and brand cache trumping usability here.

**ramseybuckeye** · 10-05-2020, 03:40 PM - **1 Like**

Yea, but it doesn't need a memory card and shoots 4K video, oh wait, my iphone does that too.

MarkJerling · 10-05-2020, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by ALLCAPS

$6,000 coupled with the ergonomics of an hors devours plate.

It's pretty boxy.

You Tube

**Fontan** · 10-05-2020, 06:55 PM - **1 Like**

It was initially forecasted to be around $4,800, and now $6,000. For that kind money for a point and shoot, it better does my taxes and laundry and take kids to school.

swanlefitte · 10-05-2020, 09:31 PM

But don't you need a lightroom subscription to use it?

**UncleVanya** · 10-05-2020, 09:41 PM

A Gr looks like an absolute steal by comparison. Ok, I get that this is full frame, but come on...

**UncleVanya** · 10-05-2020, 09:55 PM

Ok. After reading more I have observations. 1) the integration and software look to be much better than most cameras. This I like. 2) a leaf shutter doing 1/8000 (is that right???) of a second and offering sync flash up to that speed is pretty interesting. 3) my that's a big high resolution screen.

The Leica lens however is faster (by a small margin) and wider (not always appreciated). The Leica sensor is also higher resolution, and the camera has faster fps (10 vs 3). The Leica "only" has 1/500 sec flash sync. The screen is smaller but the q2 can also use a tablet or phone to remotely control the camera for editing etc.

Me I think the Leica is overpriced and it looks to be better priced than the Zeiss.

mecrox · 10-06-2020, 07:01 AM

One-offs like this never wok, imho. The technology is beyond the average camera/optical outfit, and often so is the marketing. Sales are modest. Soon the manufacturer is losing interest, updates and bug fixes slide and within 18-24 months the item is on its way to paperweight status. I can see this idea working as a new camera OS but only when launched as a consortium platform with some big players on board, and with the expertise, size and funding to build out something longer term.

awscreo · 10-06-2020, 07:14 AM

IMO i'd rather get the Sony RX1 if I really really wanted a FF compact.. Hovewer, GRIII is a monster camera and it fits in my pocket. I'm collecting a bunch of accessories for it that make it even better and more versitile)

**Fontan** · 10-06-2020, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by swanlefitte

But don't you need a lightroom subscription to use it?

Yup LR is integrated within the camera thus the need for a glorified screen for editing.

---------- Post added 10-07-20 at 10:46 AM ----------

Originally posted by UncleVanya

Ok. After reading more I have observations. 1) the integration and software look to be much better than most cameras. This I like. 2) a leaf shutter doing 1/8000 (is that right???) of a second and offering sync flash up to that speed is pretty interesting. 3) my that's a big high resolution screen.

The Leica lens however is faster (by a small margin) and wider (not always appreciated). The Leica sensor is also higher resolution, and the camera has faster fps (10 vs 3). The Leica "only" has 1/500 sec flash sync. The screen is smaller but the q2 can also use a tablet or phone to remotely control the camera for editing etc.

Me I think the Leica is overpriced and it looks to be better priced than the Zeiss.

Synch flash is certainly interesting but with supposedly great low light performance of the sensor I wonder how often you feel compelled to use a flash. Leica is ALWAY overpriced. But the cost of the equivalent lens in itself will cost almost as much as the entire Q2. It is kinda like getting a free body. Zeiss lenses are certainly grand but at $6,000 I st feel like I am getting ripped off.

---------- Post added 10-07-20 at 10:49 AM ----------

Originally posted by awscreo

IMO i'd rather get the Sony RX1 if I really really wanted a FF compact..

You get a Zeiss lens with that as well. I think RX1 is a heck of a camera.

10-05-2020, 01:32 PM	#1
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	The Zeiss Zx1 at ..... $6,000 It was announced in 2018. ZEISS ZX1 Digital Camera B&H Photo Video What I would LOVE is a FA 31 ltd stuck on a small FF body that cost about $2,000 as a fixed lens camera. That will kill Leica Q2. As for this Zeiss costing $6,000 - what are they thinking ? Bigger than Q2, and with a lens not as fast as that of Q2, and the thing is bigger in size than Q2. A7c costing mere $1,799 (without a lens), who would buy it at $6,000??? Last edited by Fontan; 10-05-2020 at 02:08 PM.

10-05-2020, 09:55 PM	#10
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,460	Ok. After reading more I have observations. 1) the integration and software look to be much better than most cameras. This I like. 2) a leaf shutter doing 1/8000 (is that right???) of a second and offering sync flash up to that speed is pretty interesting. 3) my that's a big high resolution screen. The Leica lens however is faster (by a small margin) and wider (not always appreciated). The Leica sensor is also higher resolution, and the camera has faster fps (10 vs 3). The Leica "only" has 1/500 sec flash sync. The screen is smaller but the q2 can also use a tablet or phone to remotely control the camera for editing etc. Me I think the Leica is overpriced and it looks to be better priced than the Zeiss. Last edited by UncleVanya; 10-06-2020 at 07:50 AM.

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10-05-2020, 02:15 PM	#2
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	I see Canon is pushing their "most compact FF mirror less" with a 24-105 f4-7.1...

10-05-2020, 02:19 PM	#3
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,695	Originally posted by boriscleto I see Canon is pushing their "most compact FF mirror less" with a 24-105 f4-7.1... Goodness me, that's a pretty restrictive maximum aperture. I hope it's good wide open

10-05-2020, 02:59 PM - 1 Like	#4
ALLCAPS Forum Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 52	$6,000 coupled with the ergonomics of an hors devours plate. No doubt the glass is top notch, but I see form and brand cache trumping usability here.

10-05-2020, 03:40 PM - 1 Like	#5
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,295	Yea, but it doesn't need a memory card and shoots 4K video, oh wait, my iphone does that too.

10-05-2020, 06:55 PM - 1 Like	#7
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610 Original Poster	It was initially forecasted to be around $4,800, and now $6,000. For that kind money for a point and shoot, it better does my taxes and laundry and take kids to school.

10-05-2020, 09:31 PM	#8
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	But don't you need a lightroom subscription to use it?

10-05-2020, 09:41 PM	#9
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,460	A Gr looks like an absolute steal by comparison. Ok, I get that this is full frame, but come on...

10-06-2020, 07:01 AM	#11
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	One-offs like this never wok, imho. The technology is beyond the average camera/optical outfit, and often so is the marketing. Sales are modest. Soon the manufacturer is losing interest, updates and bug fixes slide and within 18-24 months the item is on its way to paperweight status. I can see this idea working as a new camera OS but only when launched as a consortium platform with some big players on board, and with the expertise, size and funding to build out something longer term.

10-06-2020, 07:14 AM	#12
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	IMO i'd rather get the Sony RX1 if I really really wanted a FF compact.. Hovewer, GRIII is a monster camera and it fits in my pocket. I'm collecting a bunch of accessories for it that make it even better and more versitile)

10-06-2020, 06:42 PM	#13
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610 Original Poster	Originally posted by swanlefitte But don't you need a lightroom subscription to use it? Yup LR is integrated within the camera thus the need for a glorified screen for editing. ---------- Post added 10-07-20 at 10:46 AM ---------- Originally posted by UncleVanya Ok. After reading more I have observations. 1) the integration and software look to be much better than most cameras. This I like. 2) a leaf shutter doing 1/8000 (is that right???) of a second and offering sync flash up to that speed is pretty interesting. 3) my that's a big high resolution screen. The Leica lens however is faster (by a small margin) and wider (not always appreciated). The Leica sensor is also higher resolution, and the camera has faster fps (10 vs 3). The Leica "only" has 1/500 sec flash sync. The screen is smaller but the q2 can also use a tablet or phone to remotely control the camera for editing etc. Me I think the Leica is overpriced and it looks to be better priced than the Zeiss. Synch flash is certainly interesting but with supposedly great low light performance of the sensor I wonder how often you feel compelled to use a flash. Leica is ALWAY overpriced. But the cost of the equivalent lens in itself will cost almost as much as the entire Q2. It is kinda like getting a free body. Zeiss lenses are certainly grand but at $6,000 I st feel like I am getting ripped off. ---------- Post added 10-07-20 at 10:49 AM ---------- Originally posted by awscreo IMO i'd rather get the Sony RX1 if I really really wanted a FF compact.. You get a Zeiss lens with that as well. I think RX1 is a heck of a camera.

The Zeiss Zx1 at ..... $6,000

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