Canikon response to K-7

Not Registered · 10-15-2009, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by dylansalt

The only other advanced amateur DSLR that comes close to the D700 re:dynamic range,tonality and snr ratio is the D90.

Dylan

But all the people on Pentax Forums says that the k20d and K7 sensor had the best IQ of all cropped sensors. Rivaling the quality of the FF sensors. Are you trying to say that hundreds of members of this forum are wrong?

pingflood · 10-15-2009, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Gruoso

I think that by QC you are meaning the AF bugs from the Canon 1DIII, or the green band in some FF nikons.

Pentax glass is the best and the last releases of high end lenses are the best bangs for the buck.

It is unclear to me where it comes the advantage of FF if a cropped sensor of a Pentax camera is and always will be as good or better than FF sensors. And this argument is proven by the fact that Pentax will only consider to upgrade it by releasing a MF sensor.

I think we have the definition of a "fanboy" right here.

Not Registered · 10-15-2009, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

I think we have the definition of a "fanboy" right here.

Why fanboy? Deep inside of you there is a voice telling you that I am right. I will put you a real-life example that happened to me a week ago.

I was in a gig, more likely a wedding or something like that. One guy came to me with a Canon 1DsIII and another one with a Nikon D3x with the price tag hanging from the battery grip. They were mocking at my white K-M "white-thunder camera" and how lame Pentax was. They showed me their pictures and I was frankly unimpressed. Then I showed them mine... their pants fall off, their ties rolled back and the buttons of their shirts exploded. After that, they were coming to me all the time asking for advice. I told them that the 1 day workshop would be 20 USD for the first ride

nostatic · 10-15-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Gruoso

Why fanboy? Deep inside of you there is a voice telling you that I am right. I will put you a real-life example that happened to me a week ago.

I was in a gig, more likely a wedding or something like that. One guy came to me with a Canon 1DsIII and another one with a Nikon D3x with the price tag hanging from the battery grip. They were mocking at my white K-M "white-thunder camera" and how lame Pentax was. They showed me their pictures and I was frankly unimpressed. Then I showed them mine... their pants fall off, their ties rolled back and the buttons of their shirts exploded. After that, they were coming to me all the time asking for advice. I told them that the 1 day workshop would be 20 USD for the first ride

My pants did not fall off...they just slipped a little. The bride requested it.

Not Registered · 10-15-2009, 10:24 AM

Thanks guys for keeping the ball rolling and the thread in the right mood. I think that I am going to drop the ball by now before someone not familiar with me starts thinking that I am saying these things seriously and get pissed when they realize that I was mocking the typical unrealistical arguments from Fanboys. I kept some arguments for other occasions (please note that I havent resorted to ergonomics/size, weather sealing and backward compatibility yet... nor I have used the photoclub example where I am the only Pentax user and I end up giving them all a good run for the money

)

BTW nostatic, the bride told me that she never spanked anything as firm as your....canon

alexeyga · 10-15-2009, 10:27 AM

The force is strong in that one...

B Grace · 10-15-2009, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by alexeyga

The force is strong in that one...

Yeah, I'll drink to that. I guess.

dafiryde · 10-15-2009, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by Gooshin

canikon do not have to respond to anything pentax coughs up

they command a much greater market share, and they target a completly different audience with their top of the line gear.

take that coke can out of your mouth and go do something productive.

dito

dave

Pentaxor · 10-17-2009, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by alexeyga

The force is strong in that one...

sadly, I'm not your father.

LeDave · 10-17-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

I think we have the definition of a "fanboy" right here.

But I definitely agree with his statement that Pentax offers the most for their glass at the price. The DA* 16-50 can go as low as 611 right now at Ritz discount. But when I look at a similar Sony lens with a fixed aperture of 2.8 which is the 16-35 and 28-70, I see that they are at 1600+ which is more than twice the cost of Pentax and the build quality is not even close and it's not even weatherproof either. All of the Sony's zoom that are under 1,000 are nowhere close to the quality of the DA* 50-135 and DA* 16-50 either.

flippedgazelle · 10-17-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by LeDave

But I definitely agree with his statement that Pentax offers the most for their glass at the price. The DA* 16-50 can go as low as 611 right now at Ritz discount. But when I look at a similar Sony lens with a fixed aperture of 2.8 which is the 16-35 and 28-70, I see that they are at 1600+ which is more than twice the cost of Pentax and the build quality is not even close and it's not even weatherproof either. All of the Sony's zoom that are under 1,000 are nowhere close to the quality of the DA* 50-135 and DA* 16-50 either.

Comparing the DA* 16-50 w/Sony (Carl Zeiss) 16-35 is not an apples-apples comparison, though. Putting aside the focal length differences, the DA* is designed for crop sensors, whereas the Sony is a FF design. Also, in terms of presitge, the Zeiss lens is beyond the Pentax. I don't know what the performance discrepancy is between the 2 lenses, but at least in terms of reputation, you're comparing a Camry with a BMW 550i.

I'm not saying Pentax doesn't offer great value compared to other camera brands - in fact, I think Pentax offers the best value - but watch what you are comparing.

pingflood · 10-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by LeDave

But I definitely agree with his statement that Pentax offers the most for their glass at the price. The DA* 16-50 can go as low as 611 right now at Ritz discount. But when I look at a similar Sony lens with a fixed aperture of 2.8 which is the 16-35 and 28-70, I see that they are at 1600+ which is more than twice the cost of Pentax and the build quality is not even close and it's not even weatherproof either. All of the Sony's zoom that are under 1,000 are nowhere close to the quality of the DA* 50-135 and DA* 16-50 either.

Yeah, but to "equalize" things you'd need to shoot the FF lens at f/4 and then the price drops significantly.

dylansalt · 10-23-2009, 03:51 AM

Too be quite honest I reckon Canon has the best range of glass non pro/pro at very competitive prices - hence one of the reasons 80% (thumbsuck) of dslr owners are Canon.

Dylan

Big G · 10-28-2009, 11:03 AM

Not everyone is immune on the QC front, this news just in on the 7D.

Canon identifies problem with EOS 7D: Digital Photography Review

Not a biggy, but it's still a QC issue.

Samsungian · 10-28-2009, 11:29 AM

At least Canon is publically persuing the 7D after image left on sensor problem. very few have seen the phenomena, yet Canon is in public view & looking into it.

If it were Pentax having problems with Camera or lets say SDM lens failures, what public statements would be forthcoming from Hoya?

I'll guess:

Silence

"Canon has said it is investigating an issue with its recently released EOS 7D digital SLR. In a service notice it says there is an occasional issue where traces of a preceding frame may be visible in images captured in continuous shooting mode. The company says it will release a firmware update to resolve the problem."

Originally posted by Big G

Not everyone is immune on the QC front, this news just in on the 7D.

Canon identifies problem with EOS 7D: Digital Photography Review

Not a biggy, but it's still a QC issue.

10-28-2009, 11:29 AM	#30
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	At least Canon is publically persuing the problem At least Canon is publically persuing the 7D after image left on sensor problem. very few have seen the phenomena, yet Canon is in public view & looking into it. If it were Pentax having problems with Camera or lets say SDM lens failures, what public statements would be forthcoming from Hoya? I'll guess: Silence "Canon has said it is investigating an issue with its recently released EOS 7D digital SLR. In a service notice it says there is an occasional issue where traces of a preceding frame may be visible in images captured in continuous shooting mode. The company says it will release a firmware update to resolve the problem." Originally posted by Big G Not everyone is immune on the QC front, this news just in on the 7D. Canon identifies problem with EOS 7D: Digital Photography Review Not a biggy, but it's still a QC issue.

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10-15-2009, 08:13 AM	#16
Not Registered Guest	Originally posted by dylansalt The only other advanced amateur DSLR that comes close to the D700 re:dynamic range,tonality and snr ratio is the D90. Dylan But all the people on Pentax Forums says that the k20d and K7 sensor had the best IQ of all cropped sensors. Rivaling the quality of the FF sensors. Are you trying to say that hundreds of members of this forum are wrong?

10-15-2009, 08:37 AM	#17
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Originally posted by Gruoso I think that by QC you are meaning the AF bugs from the Canon 1DIII, or the green band in some FF nikons. Pentax glass is the best and the last releases of high end lenses are the best bangs for the buck. It is unclear to me where it comes the advantage of FF if a cropped sensor of a Pentax camera is and always will be as good or better than FF sensors. And this argument is proven by the fact that Pentax will only consider to upgrade it by releasing a MF sensor. I think we have the definition of a "fanboy" right here.

10-15-2009, 08:54 AM	#18
Not Registered Guest	Originally posted by pingflood I think we have the definition of a "fanboy" right here. Why fanboy? Deep inside of you there is a voice telling you that I am right. I will put you a real-life example that happened to me a week ago. I was in a gig, more likely a wedding or something like that. One guy came to me with a Canon 1DsIII and another one with a Nikon D3x with the price tag hanging from the battery grip. They were mocking at my white K-M "white-thunder camera" and how lame Pentax was. They showed me their pictures and I was frankly unimpressed. Then I showed them mine... their pants fall off, their ties rolled back and the buttons of their shirts exploded. After that, they were coming to me all the time asking for advice. I told them that the 1 day workshop would be 20 USD for the first ride

10-15-2009, 10:04 AM	#19
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	Originally posted by Gruoso Why fanboy? Deep inside of you there is a voice telling you that I am right. I will put you a real-life example that happened to me a week ago. I was in a gig, more likely a wedding or something like that. One guy came to me with a Canon 1DsIII and another one with a Nikon D3x with the price tag hanging from the battery grip. They were mocking at my white K-M "white-thunder camera" and how lame Pentax was. They showed me their pictures and I was frankly unimpressed. Then I showed them mine... their pants fall off, their ties rolled back and the buttons of their shirts exploded. After that, they were coming to me all the time asking for advice. I told them that the 1 day workshop would be 20 USD for the first ride My pants did not fall off...they just slipped a little. The bride requested it.

10-15-2009, 10:24 AM	#20
Not Registered Guest	Thanks guys for keeping the ball rolling and the thread in the right mood. I think that I am going to drop the ball by now before someone not familiar with me starts thinking that I am saying these things seriously and get pissed when they realize that I was mocking the typical unrealistical arguments from Fanboys. I kept some arguments for other occasions (please note that I havent resorted to ergonomics/size, weather sealing and backward compatibility yet... nor I have used the photoclub example where I am the only Pentax user and I end up giving them all a good run for the money ) BTW nostatic, the bride told me that she never spanked anything as firm as your....canon

10-15-2009, 10:27 AM	#21
alexeyga Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 838	The force is strong in that one...

10-15-2009, 10:37 AM	#22
B Grace Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 429	Originally posted by alexeyga The force is strong in that one... Yeah, I'll drink to that. I guess.

10-15-2009, 10:00 PM	#23
dafiryde Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 419	Originally posted by Gooshin canikon do not have to respond to anything pentax coughs up they command a much greater market share, and they target a completly different audience with their top of the line gear. take that coke can out of your mouth and go do something productive. dito dave

10-17-2009, 08:33 AM	#24
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by alexeyga The force is strong in that one... sadly, I'm not your father.

10-17-2009, 09:31 AM	#25
LeDave Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minneapolis - St. Paul Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,067	Originally posted by pingflood I think we have the definition of a "fanboy" right here. But I definitely agree with his statement that Pentax offers the most for their glass at the price. The DA* 16-50 can go as low as 611 right now at Ritz discount. But when I look at a similar Sony lens with a fixed aperture of 2.8 which is the 16-35 and 28-70, I see that they are at 1600+ which is more than twice the cost of Pentax and the build quality is not even close and it's not even weatherproof either. All of the Sony's zoom that are under 1,000 are nowhere close to the quality of the DA* 50-135 and DA* 16-50 either.

10-17-2009, 02:21 PM	#26
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Originally posted by LeDave But I definitely agree with his statement that Pentax offers the most for their glass at the price. The DA* 16-50 can go as low as 611 right now at Ritz discount. But when I look at a similar Sony lens with a fixed aperture of 2.8 which is the 16-35 and 28-70, I see that they are at 1600+ which is more than twice the cost of Pentax and the build quality is not even close and it's not even weatherproof either. All of the Sony's zoom that are under 1,000 are nowhere close to the quality of the DA* 50-135 and DA* 16-50 either. Comparing the DA* 16-50 w/Sony (Carl Zeiss) 16-35 is not an apples-apples comparison, though. Putting aside the focal length differences, the DA* is designed for crop sensors, whereas the Sony is a FF design. Also, in terms of presitge, the Zeiss lens is beyond the Pentax. I don't know what the performance discrepancy is between the 2 lenses, but at least in terms of reputation, you're comparing a Camry with a BMW 550i. I'm not saying Pentax doesn't offer great value compared to other camera brands - in fact, I think Pentax offers the best value - but watch what you are comparing.

10-17-2009, 07:04 PM	#27
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Originally posted by LeDave But I definitely agree with his statement that Pentax offers the most for their glass at the price. The DA* 16-50 can go as low as 611 right now at Ritz discount. But when I look at a similar Sony lens with a fixed aperture of 2.8 which is the 16-35 and 28-70, I see that they are at 1600+ which is more than twice the cost of Pentax and the build quality is not even close and it's not even weatherproof either. All of the Sony's zoom that are under 1,000 are nowhere close to the quality of the DA* 50-135 and DA* 16-50 either. Yeah, but to "equalize" things you'd need to shoot the FF lens at f/4 and then the price drops significantly.

10-23-2009, 03:51 AM	#28
dylansalt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Durban, South Africa Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,052	Too be quite honest I reckon Canon has the best range of glass non pro/pro at very competitive prices - hence one of the reasons 80% (thumbsuck) of dslr owners are Canon. Dylan

10-28-2009, 11:03 AM	#29
Big G Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 581	Not everyone is immune on the QC front, this news just in on the 7D. Canon identifies problem with EOS 7D: Digital Photography Review Not a biggy, but it's still a QC issue.