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Mystic · 02-02-2010, 04:51 AM

hi, I saw, in dprw.com that some new fujifilm cameras were announced..
what interests me is this new compact with large super ccd EXR sensor.. they say that the sensor size is 1/2" so.. could anyone illustrate me this size in comparison to 2/3 or 4/3 or APS-C
thanks..

ogl · 02-02-2010, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by Mystic

hi, I saw, in dprw.com that some new fujifilm cameras were announced..
what interests me is this new compact with large super ccd EXR sensor.. they say that the sensor size is 1/2" so.. could anyone illustrate me this size in comparison to 2/3 or 4/3 or APS-C
thanks..

1/2.3" - ~ 6.16*4.62 mm. one of the smallest now.

Mystic · 02-02-2010, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by ogl

1/2.3" - ~ 6.16*4.62 mm. one of the smallest now.

it's not 1/2.3, it's 1/2'

gazonk · 02-02-2010, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by Mystic

it's not 1/2.3, it's 1/2'

Half a foot? Oh no, the 645D is going to look stupid compared to this

Complete list here: Sensor Sizes: Camera System: Glossary: Learn: Digital Photography Review

1/2" is, as you would expect, between 1/2.3" and 1/1.8" in size, i.e. tiny.

Erik · 02-02-2010, 05:39 AM

Furthermore, it is 12 MP on the same chip size that previously was 10 MP, so unsurprisingly, the pictures look like garbage and display obvious noise reduction artifacts, even at base ISO, even on the sample JPEGS Fujifilm has up for marketing purposes.

ogl · 02-02-2010, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Mystic

it's not 1/2.3, it's 1/2'

1" = 12.8*9.6 mm :ugh:

1/2" = 6.4*4.8 mm

It could be interesting 1" sensor, but I don't know such sensor.

wlachan · 02-02-2010, 06:09 AM

My F200EXR with 1/1.6" 12MP CCD produce decent shots at iso400 6MP, and sometimes good iso800 6MP shots if exposed properly but often quite grainy. Consider the F70/80EXR have smaller sensors, it is safe to assume they had inferior image quality. It would be nice if they used existing technology producing a decent 6MP iso800 compact, instead of chasing more MP.

Mystic · 02-02-2010, 07:11 AM

thanks everybody for the input.

GatorPentax · 02-02-2010, 11:28 AM

Yeah i'm pretty disappointed about my f80EXR but only because i had such high expectations for it. I was hoping it would at least match the fujifilm f100fd being that its almost 2 years newer technology. Overall i still consider it better than anything Pentax has in terms of P&S. I refuse to buy anything C or N.

Biro · 02-02-2010, 02:17 PM

Another Fijifilm camera unveiled today is the HS10... with a 30x non-interchangeable zoom lens. Fantastic features, manual control, manual zoom and 10fps at full resolution... but still with a 1/2.3 sensor.

Now, granted, this is a backlit sensor. But even with the latest image processing algorithms, how good could the image quality be in low light and/or at higher ISOs? Fuji says the sensor features "...a 200% increase in sensitivity over a conventional CMOS sensor." That would be two stops, correct? Meaning ISO 1600 would look like ISO 400... on a 1/2.3 sensor, right?

That's certainly welcome... but the camera is $500 - meaning pretty stiff competition from the Panasonic G1 and the Samsung NX10. Of course, one would need more lenses with any of the EVIL cameras.

er1kksen · 02-02-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Biro

That's certainly welcome... but the camera is $500 - meaning pretty stiff competition from the Panasonic G1 and the Samsung NX10. Of course, one would need more lenses with any of the EVIL cameras.

Considering that they were introducing similarly-specced (relative to the state of the art, of course) cameras at around $1k just a few years ago, I think it's a good sign.

Damn Brit · 02-02-2010, 08:19 PM

Moved to off brand forum.

falconeye · 02-09-2010, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Wikipedia+DPR:

The sensor sizes of many compact digital cameras are expressed in terms of the non-standardized "inch" system, as approximately 1.5 times the length of the diagonal of the sensor. This goes back to the way image sizes of early video cameras were expressed in terms of the outside diameter of the glass envelope of the video camera tube.[

It is incredible how vendors get away with giving confusing information about a core feature of their products. One would assume that consumer protection organisations would have stopped this nonsense long ago ...

So, why not advertizing a 42" HTDV as 63" ?

pingflood · 02-09-2010, 09:04 AM

TVs used to be "mislabeled" in that say a 32" TV might only have a 29" visible diagonal.

falconeye · 02-09-2010, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

TVs used to be "mislabeled" in that say a 32" TV might only have a 29" visible diagonal.

Yeah, but try this with a digital flat screen ...

I am still puzzled that P&S industry gets away with this ...

02-02-2010, 04:51 AM	#1
Mystic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 490	New Fujifilm F80EXR sensor size hi, I saw, in dprw.com that some new fujifilm cameras were announced.. what interests me is this new compact with large super ccd EXR sensor.. they say that the sensor size is 1/2" so.. could anyone illustrate me this size in comparison to 2/3 or 4/3 or APS-C thanks..

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02-02-2010, 05:02 AM	#2
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Mystic hi, I saw, in dprw.com that some new fujifilm cameras were announced.. what interests me is this new compact with large super ccd EXR sensor.. they say that the sensor size is 1/2" so.. could anyone illustrate me this size in comparison to 2/3 or 4/3 or APS-C thanks.. 1/2.3" - ~ 6.16*4.62 mm. one of the smallest now.

02-02-2010, 05:07 AM	#3
Mystic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 490 Original Poster	Originally posted by ogl 1/2.3" - ~ 6.16*4.62 mm. one of the smallest now. it's not 1/2.3, it's 1/2'

02-02-2010, 05:12 AM	#4
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Mystic it's not 1/2.3, it's 1/2' Half a foot? Oh no, the 645D is going to look stupid compared to this Complete list here: Sensor Sizes: Camera System: Glossary: Learn: Digital Photography Review 1/2" is, as you would expect, between 1/2.3" and 1/1.8" in size, i.e. tiny.

02-02-2010, 05:39 AM	#5
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Furthermore, it is 12 MP on the same chip size that previously was 10 MP, so unsurprisingly, the pictures look like garbage and display obvious noise reduction artifacts, even at base ISO, even on the sample JPEGS Fujifilm has up for marketing purposes.

02-02-2010, 05:58 AM	#6
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Mystic it's not 1/2.3, it's 1/2' 1" = 12.89.6 mm :ugh: 1/2" = 6.44.8 mm It could be interesting 1" sensor, but I don't know such sensor.

02-02-2010, 06:09 AM	#7
wlachan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 2,625	My F200EXR with 1/1.6" 12MP CCD produce decent shots at iso400 6MP, and sometimes good iso800 6MP shots if exposed properly but often quite grainy. Consider the F70/80EXR have smaller sensors, it is safe to assume they had inferior image quality. It would be nice if they used existing technology producing a decent 6MP iso800 compact, instead of chasing more MP.

02-02-2010, 07:11 AM	#8
Mystic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 490 Original Poster	thanks everybody for the input.

02-02-2010, 11:28 AM	#9
GatorPentax Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 372	Yeah i'm pretty disappointed about my f80EXR but only because i had such high expectations for it. I was hoping it would at least match the fujifilm f100fd being that its almost 2 years newer technology. Overall i still consider it better than anything Pentax has in terms of P&S. I refuse to buy anything C or N.

02-02-2010, 02:17 PM	#10
Biro Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,200	Another Fijifilm camera unveiled today is the HS10... with a 30x non-interchangeable zoom lens. Fantastic features, manual control, manual zoom and 10fps at full resolution... but still with a 1/2.3 sensor. Now, granted, this is a backlit sensor. But even with the latest image processing algorithms, how good could the image quality be in low light and/or at higher ISOs? Fuji says the sensor features "...a 200% increase in sensitivity over a conventional CMOS sensor." That would be two stops, correct? Meaning ISO 1600 would look like ISO 400... on a 1/2.3 sensor, right? That's certainly welcome... but the camera is $500 - meaning pretty stiff competition from the Panasonic G1 and the Samsung NX10. Of course, one would need more lenses with any of the EVIL cameras.

02-02-2010, 03:19 PM	#11
er1kksen Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Forestville, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,801	Originally posted by Biro That's certainly welcome... but the camera is $500 - meaning pretty stiff competition from the Panasonic G1 and the Samsung NX10. Of course, one would need more lenses with any of the EVIL cameras. Considering that they were introducing similarly-specced (relative to the state of the art, of course) cameras at around $1k just a few years ago, I think it's a good sign.

02-02-2010, 08:19 PM	#12
Damn Brit Guest	Moved to off brand forum.

02-09-2010, 08:34 AM	#13
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Wikipedia+DPR: The sensor sizes of many compact digital cameras are expressed in terms of the non-standardized "inch" system, as approximately *1.5 times* the length *of the diagonal* of the sensor. This goes back to the way image sizes of early video cameras were expressed in terms of the outside diameter of the glass envelope of the video camera tube.[ It is incredible how vendors get away with giving confusing information about a core feature of their products. One would assume that consumer protection organisations would have stopped this nonsense long ago ... So, why not advertizing a 42" HTDV as 63" ?

02-09-2010, 09:04 AM	#14
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	TVs used to be "mislabeled" in that say a 32" TV might only have a 29" visible diagonal.

02-09-2010, 09:27 AM	#15
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by pingflood TVs used to be "mislabeled" in that say a 32" TV might only have a 29" visible diagonal. Yeah, but try this with a digital flat screen ... I am still puzzled that P&S industry gets away with this ...

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