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lesmore49 · 12-18-2020, 02:44 PM

I don't check out the sales numbers of cameras and with Covid, like others have not been able to get to my usual outdoor events (all been cancelled) so I also don't see others with new/newer cameras.

So, I don't know if the mirrorless cameras from Nikon and Canon are selling well ?

Are they ?

Also was it a good idea in terms of Canon and Nikon to focus efforts ....R + D, Engineering, marketing, etc...on mirrorless cameras ?

Has it proven to be a good idea in terms of making money, or would Canon and Nikon been wiser to just continue with their DSLR lines and not of gone into mirrorless ?

D1N0 · 12-18-2020, 03:28 PM

It was a necessity. DSLR's are becoming a niche. We will probably see mirrorless pro DSLR's appear before the 2024 Olympics (Paris). Now that Canon and Nikon have clearly made the step it is only a matter of time dslrs will go the way of film slr's. Fading out.

shyrsio · 12-18-2020, 03:33 PM

Well its difficult to make a clear analysis of the market now since there are a lot of non related factors that influence. but once the covid thing will be under control the economy and sales will rise again and the mirrorless sales will surely go up. I dont thing DSLR shooters would make the leap to mirrorless in this time of crisis.

dbs · 12-18-2020, 04:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

It was a necessity. DSLR's are becoming a niche. We will probably see mirrorless pro DSLR's appear before the 2024 Olympics (Paris). Now that Canon and Nikon have clearly made the step it is only a matter of time dslrs will go the way of film slr's. Fading out.

Hi

I don't understand why it is a " necessity '.

Technology changes and improves , and over time that has never changed.

Dave

surfar · 12-18-2020, 05:24 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by dbs

I don't understand why it is a " necessity '.

Well, 2013 $ony started and very soon after their share of FF started growing.It was a market CaNik wasnt in.

$ony captured plenty of FF Dslr users(not Pentaxians in large numbers) due to a number of factors.

The big 2 Dslr producers saw their customer base leaving so HAD to join the market.

dbs · 12-18-2020, 05:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

Well, 2013 $ony started and very soon after their share of FF started growing.It was a market CaNik wasnt in.

$ony captured plenty of FF Dslr users(not Pentaxians in large numbers) due to a number of factors.

The big 2 Dslr producers saw their customer base leaving so HAD to join the market.

Smart phones will beat them all up.
Nothing new really.
Sony is only in for the quick buck and then moves on to the next " in thing ".

surfar · 12-18-2020, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by lesmore49

Also was it a good idea in terms of Canon and Nikon to focus efforts ....R + D, Engineering, marketing, etc...on mirrorless cameras ?

At this point in time Canon has been successful while Nikon has discontinued 1'' series and hasnt set the world on fire with Z series.

**luftfluss** · 12-18-2020, 05:33 PM - **1 Like**

Sony has really changed the industry.

surfar · 12-18-2020, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by dbs

Smart phones will beat them all up.

Its been happening for a while.However there wont be a knockout for a long long time!

dbs · 12-18-2020, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Its been happening for a while.However there wont be a knockout for a long long time!

Only the 10% of people who are photographically inclined will not surrender, everyone else just don't care

surfar · 12-18-2020, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Sony has really changed the industry.

And as much as plenty will talk them down,they have advanced tech a fair way.

stevebrot · 12-18-2020, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

It was a necessity. DSLR's are becoming a niche. We will probably see mirrorless pro DSLR's appear before the 2024 Olympics (Paris). Now that Canon and Nikon have clearly made the step it is only a matter of time dslrs will go the way of film slr's. Fading out.

Either that or the abrupt shift will be inadequate to save Nikon as a company or to ensure continued emphasis by Canon on consumer/enthusiast photography products.

I don't know anyone who has moved to either new product line here in my region and we are pretty camera happy.

Steve

surfar · 12-18-2020, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by dbs

Only the 10% of people who are photographically inclined will not surrender

Smartphones have increased "photgraphically inclined" people by huge numbers.Camera owners may disagree though.

**luftfluss** · 12-18-2020, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Smartphones have increased "photgraphically inclined" people by huge numbers.Camera owners may disagree though.

I dislike handling my phone for photographic purposes, but I have seen wonderful photos made with smartphones... and we're moving closer and closer to the point where cellphones will be adequate for most photographic tasks that are not wildlife-related.

dbs · 12-18-2020, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Smartphones have increased "photgraphically inclined" people by huge numbers.Camera owners may disagree though.

Our context of " photographically inclined " obviously differ.

12-18-2020, 02:44 PM	#1
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,350	Mirrorless camera- was this a good move for Canon/ Nikon ? I don't check out the sales numbers of cameras and with Covid, like others have not been able to get to my usual outdoor events (all been cancelled) so I also don't see others with new/newer cameras. So, I don't know if the mirrorless cameras from Nikon and Canon are selling well ? Are they ? Also was it a good idea in terms of Canon and Nikon to focus efforts ....R + D, Engineering, marketing, etc...on mirrorless cameras ? Has it proven to be a good idea in terms of making money, or would Canon and Nikon been wiser to just continue with their DSLR lines and not of gone into mirrorless ?

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12-18-2020, 03:28 PM	#2
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	It was a necessity. DSLR's are becoming a niche. We will probably see mirrorless pro DSLR's appear before the 2024 Olympics (Paris). Now that Canon and Nikon have clearly made the step it is only a matter of time dslrs will go the way of film slr's. Fading out.

12-18-2020, 03:33 PM	#3
shyrsio Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Tirana Posts: 780	Well its difficult to make a clear analysis of the market now since there are a lot of non related factors that influence. but once the covid thing will be under control the economy and sales will rise again and the mirrorless sales will surely go up. I dont thing DSLR shooters would make the leap to mirrorless in this time of crisis.

12-18-2020, 04:00 PM - 1 Like	#4
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Originally posted by D1N0 It was a necessity. DSLR's are becoming a niche. We will probably see mirrorless pro DSLR's appear before the 2024 Olympics (Paris). Now that Canon and Nikon have clearly made the step it is only a matter of time dslrs will go the way of film slr's. Fading out. Hi I don't understand why it is a " necessity '. Technology changes and improves , and over time that has never changed. Dave

12-18-2020, 05:24 PM - 1 Like	#5
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by dbs I don't understand why it is a " necessity '. Well, 2013 $ony started and very soon after their share of FF started growing.It was a market CaNik wasnt in. $ony captured plenty of FF Dslr users(not Pentaxians in large numbers) due to a number of factors. The big 2 Dslr producers saw their customer base leaving so HAD to join the market.

12-18-2020, 05:31 PM - 1 Like	#6
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Originally posted by surfar Well, 2013 $ony started and very soon after their share of FF started growing.It was a market CaNik wasnt in. $ony captured plenty of FF Dslr users(not Pentaxians in large numbers) due to a number of factors. The big 2 Dslr producers saw their customer base leaving so HAD to join the market. Smart phones will beat them all up. Nothing new really. Sony is only in for the quick buck and then moves on to the next " in thing ".

12-18-2020, 05:32 PM	#7
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by lesmore49 Also was it a good idea in terms of Canon and Nikon to focus efforts ....R + D, Engineering, marketing, etc...on mirrorless cameras ? At this point in time Canon has been successful while Nikon has discontinued 1'' series and hasnt set the world on fire with Z series.

12-18-2020, 05:33 PM - 1 Like	#8
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	Sony has really changed the industry.

12-18-2020, 05:37 PM	#9
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by dbs Smart phones will beat them all up. Its been happening for a while.However there wont be a knockout for a long long time!

12-18-2020, 05:40 PM	#10
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Originally posted by surfar Its been happening for a while.However there wont be a knockout for a long long time! Only the 10% of people who are photographically inclined will not surrender, everyone else just don't care

12-18-2020, 05:43 PM	#11
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by luftfluss Sony has really changed the industry. And as much as plenty will talk them down,they have advanced tech a fair way.

12-18-2020, 05:47 PM	#12
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by D1N0 It was a necessity. DSLR's are becoming a niche. We will probably see mirrorless pro DSLR's appear before the 2024 Olympics (Paris). Now that Canon and Nikon have clearly made the step it is only a matter of time dslrs will go the way of film slr's. Fading out. Either that or the abrupt shift will be inadequate to save Nikon as a company or to ensure continued emphasis by Canon on consumer/enthusiast photography products. I don't know anyone who has moved to either new product line here in my region and we are pretty camera happy. Steve

12-18-2020, 05:48 PM	#13
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by dbs Only the 10% of people who are photographically inclined will not surrender Smartphones have increased "photgraphically inclined" people by huge numbers.Camera owners may disagree though.

12-18-2020, 05:52 PM	#14
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	Originally posted by surfar Smartphones have increased "photgraphically inclined" people by huge numbers.Camera owners may disagree though. I dislike handling my phone for photographic purposes, but I have seen wonderful photos made with smartphones... and we're moving closer and closer to the point where cellphones will be adequate for most photographic tasks that are not wildlife-related.

12-18-2020, 05:55 PM	#15
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Originally posted by surfar Smartphones have increased "photgraphically inclined" people by huge numbers.Camera owners may disagree though. Our context of " photographically inclined " obviously differ.

Mirrorless camera- was this a good move for Canon/ Nikon ?

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