The new Nikon Zfc - Retro mirrorless

house · 06-29-2021, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by c.a.m

Over the years, how many times have we entertained ideas about a 'digital K1000'?

A Pentax version would have the Limited lenses and vintage compatibility. Changes the whole premise imho. Saying that I hope Pentax doesn't go full cosmetic vintage. Their design language with recent cameras K-1, KP, K-3 III is pretty damn good. There's room within that style to be a bit more analogue and a bit more "classy" without loosing the edge of the Pentax design language. My thinking now is that that should perhaps be the low tier model replacing the K-70. Nikon was perhaps right about that.

**pres589** · 06-29-2021, 12:44 PM

Between their announced glass, glass already here, and the FTZ adapter I don't really see a huge lack of glass for this body. They have an 18-140 VR lens coming which sounds nice (on paper at least, time will tell how nice it really is) which then combines well with a few primes to make a nice all-around kit.

**Mbaez** · 06-29-2021, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by pres589

I don't think of the word "retro" when the K-01's styling is considered. I've got some words for it but not that one.

Agree, the K-01 isn't retro at all.

Wheatfield · 06-29-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Mbaez

Agree, the K-01 isn't retro at all.

I dunno, it looks kinda like a 1950s kids toy.

Jonathan Mac · 06-29-2021, 02:39 PM

I've just been reading about this. Looks like Nikon are copying Fujifilm but still not committing to APS-C by producing a decent lens lineup for it. I suppose two APS-C cameras is better than one but it's still not a convincing offering.

**clickclick** · 06-29-2021, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Mbaez

I can't believe that they are still using the same 20MP sensor, plus no IBIS, crappy battery, and no lenses!
WTH, when is Nikon going to deliver a meaningful DX upgrade?

Well, they do call it retro.....

**i_trax** · 06-30-2021, 12:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mbaez

Agree, the K-01 isn't retro at all.

K-01 looks more like Art Deco , I like it.
My silver MX-1 ( with beautiful real leather hand made casing ) is real Retro.

**Serkevan** · 06-30-2021, 04:00 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pres589

Between their announced glass, glass already here, and the FTZ adapter I don't really see a huge lack of glass for this body. They have an 18-140 VR lens coming which sounds nice (on paper at least, time will tell how nice it really is) which then combines well with a few primes to make a nice all-around kit.

Nikon had 20 years to flesh out an APS-C lineup for their DX DSLRs and didn't. They have 4 primes (fisheye 10mm, 35/1.8, 40/2.8 macro and 85/3.5 macro) and one f/2.8 zoom (the 17-55). The rest is either slow zooms or FF glass, priced accordingly.
They only want the Z DX system to get people in the door for the FF glass.

**Lowell Goudge** · 06-30-2021, 04:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mbaez

I can't believe that they are still using the same 20MP sensor, plus no IBIS, crappy battery, and no lenses!
WTH, when is Nikon going to deliver a meaningful DX upgrade?

Lack of ibis is a big deterrent for all the hackers out there who want to play with legacy glass. I’ll pass

bdery · 06-30-2021, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by house

Unless there are some amazing feature it will always be a fuji copy with a crap lens lineup.

My thoughts exactly.

Nikon looks like they're trying to copy Samsung : throw a pack of spaghetti noodles at the wall and see what sticks.

Their Z strategy could be summarized as "too late, again". Apart from former FX/DX users migrating thanks for the lens adapter (and quickly selling their stuff because the adaptation isn't all that fun) I don't think they're gaining significant market traction.

Jonathan Mac · 06-30-2021, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by bdery

My thoughts exactly.

Nikon looks like they're trying to copy Samsung : throw a pack of spaghetti noodles at the wall and see what sticks.

Their Z strategy could be summarized as "too late, again". Apart from former FX/DX users migrating thanks for the lens adapter (and quickly selling their stuff because the adaptation isn't all that fun) I don't think they're gaining significant market traction.

I agree. This camera may be very nice but unless they commit to a good range of APS-C lenses then there's just no reason for it to exist other than for users who will never move beyond the kit lenses.

Launching it with a plastic FF 28/2.8 tells me that they have no intention of providing lenses for it.

house · 06-30-2021, 07:15 AM

The question if the "buys kit only" market exist anymore.

Its interesting that they deemed the retro market to be one for newbies and entry level price. Sort of the opposite of the normal rangefinder/retro/leica type stuff. Where its about perceived build quality, history and connoisseur pricing.

**pres589** · 06-30-2021, 07:20 AM

Eh. I laid out a plan for a kit around this camera body (no, I am not interested in jumping to Z mount, it was just a thought exercise) and I think it's pretty viable. Maybe not perfect (a good 28mm f1.8 that isn't huge, please!) but not too far off from something that would make me happy about 90% of the time. I do agree that IBIS would make it more appealing but Fuji also lacks this function and it hasn't seemed to kill them yet. This body would have better ISO-invariance vs. Fuji as well, right?

**AgentL** · 06-30-2021, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I've just been reading about this. Looks like Nikon are copying Fujifilm but still not committing to APS-C by producing a decent lens lineup for it. I suppose two APS-C cameras is better than one but it's still not a convincing offering.

How many cameras with direct controls do manufacturers have to make before we can stop saying they're copying Fuji? Just because it's the direction Fuji went whole-hog on doesn't mean it's not a legitimate design for part of a manufacturer's lineup!

**pres589** · 06-30-2021, 08:55 AM

AgentL: Probably when Pentax makes one will this change take place in the general discussion of cameras.

06-30-2021, 12:52 AM - 1 Like	#37
i_trax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Perth Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,621	Art Deco? Originally posted by Mbaez Agree, the K-01 isn't retro at all. K-01 looks more like Art Deco , I like it. My silver MX-1 ( with beautiful real leather hand made casing ) is real Retro.

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06-29-2021, 12:39 PM	#31
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by c.a.m Over the years, how many times have we entertained ideas about a 'digital K1000'? A Pentax version would have the Limited lenses and vintage compatibility. Changes the whole premise imho. Saying that I hope Pentax doesn't go full cosmetic vintage. Their design language with recent cameras K-1, KP, K-3 III is pretty damn good. There's room within that style to be a bit more analogue and a bit more "classy" without loosing the edge of the Pentax design language. My thinking now is that that should perhaps be the low tier model replacing the K-70. Nikon was perhaps right about that.

06-29-2021, 12:44 PM	#32
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Between their announced glass, glass already here, and the FTZ adapter I don't really see a huge lack of glass for this body. They have an 18-140 VR lens coming which sounds nice (on paper at least, time will tell how nice it really is) which then combines well with a few primes to make a nice all-around kit.

06-29-2021, 01:50 PM	#33
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by pres589 I don't think of the word "retro" when the K-01's styling is considered. I've got some words for it but not that one. Agree, the K-01 isn't retro at all.

06-29-2021, 02:32 PM	#34
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Mbaez Agree, the K-01 isn't retro at all. I dunno, it looks kinda like a 1950s kids toy.

06-29-2021, 02:39 PM	#35
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,897	I've just been reading about this. Looks like Nikon are copying Fujifilm but still not committing to APS-C by producing a decent lens lineup for it. I suppose two APS-C cameras is better than one but it's still not a convincing offering.

06-29-2021, 07:40 PM	#36
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,903	Originally posted by Mbaez I can't believe that they are still using the same 20MP sensor, plus no IBIS, crappy battery, and no lenses! WTH, when is Nikon going to deliver a meaningful DX upgrade? Well, they do call it retro.....

06-30-2021, 04:00 AM - 1 Like	#38
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by pres589 Between their announced glass, glass already here, and the FTZ adapter I don't really see a huge lack of glass for this body. They have an 18-140 VR lens coming which sounds nice (on paper at least, time will tell how nice it really is) which then combines well with a few primes to make a nice all-around kit. Nikon had 20 years to flesh out an APS-C lineup for their DX DSLRs and didn't. They have 4 primes (fisheye 10mm, 35/1.8, 40/2.8 macro and 85/3.5 macro) and one f/2.8 zoom (the 17-55). The rest is either slow zooms or FF glass, priced accordingly. They only want the Z DX system to get people in the door for the FF glass.

06-30-2021, 04:33 AM - 1 Like	#39
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by Mbaez I can't believe that they are still using the same 20MP sensor, plus no IBIS, crappy battery, and no lenses! WTH, when is Nikon going to deliver a meaningful DX upgrade? Lack of ibis is a big deterrent for all the hackers out there who want to play with legacy glass. I’ll pass

06-30-2021, 06:13 AM	#40
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by house Unless there are some amazing feature it will always be a fuji copy with a crap lens lineup. My thoughts exactly. Nikon looks like they're trying to copy Samsung : throw a pack of spaghetti noodles at the wall and see what sticks. Their Z strategy could be summarized as "too late, again". Apart from former FX/DX users migrating thanks for the lens adapter (and quickly selling their stuff because the adaptation isn't all that fun) I don't think they're gaining significant market traction.

06-30-2021, 06:37 AM	#41
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,897	Originally posted by bdery My thoughts exactly. Nikon looks like they're trying to copy Samsung : throw a pack of spaghetti noodles at the wall and see what sticks. Their Z strategy could be summarized as "too late, again". Apart from former FX/DX users migrating thanks for the lens adapter (and quickly selling their stuff because the adaptation isn't all that fun) I don't think they're gaining significant market traction. I agree. This camera may be very nice but unless they commit to a good range of APS-C lenses then there's just no reason for it to exist other than for users who will never move beyond the kit lenses. Launching it with a plastic FF 28/2.8 tells me that they have no intention of providing lenses for it.

06-30-2021, 07:15 AM	#42
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	The question if the "buys kit only" market exist anymore. Its interesting that they deemed the retro market to be one for newbies and entry level price. Sort of the opposite of the normal rangefinder/retro/leica type stuff. Where its about perceived build quality, history and connoisseur pricing.

06-30-2021, 07:20 AM	#43
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Eh. I laid out a plan for a kit around this camera body (no, I am not interested in jumping to Z mount, it was just a thought exercise) and I think it's pretty viable. Maybe not perfect (a good 28mm f1.8 that isn't huge, please!) but not too far off from something that would make me happy about 90% of the time. I do agree that IBIS would make it more appealing but Fuji also lacks this function and it hasn't seemed to kill them yet. This body would have better ISO-invariance vs. Fuji as well, right?

06-30-2021, 08:51 AM	#44
AgentL Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Seattle Photos: Albums Posts: 1,756	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I've just been reading about this. Looks like Nikon are copying Fujifilm but still not committing to APS-C by producing a decent lens lineup for it. I suppose two APS-C cameras is better than one but it's still not a convincing offering. How many cameras with direct controls do manufacturers have to make before we can stop saying they're copying Fuji? Just because it's the direction Fuji went whole-hog on doesn't mean it's not a legitimate design for part of a manufacturer's lineup!

06-30-2021, 08:55 AM	#45
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	AgentL: Probably when Pentax makes one will this change take place in the general discussion of cameras.