Picture Data

kentishrev · 12-20-2014, 01:27 AM

I've looked for a similar thread, but can't find one. I have recently acquired a P30N which I'm finding good fun to practice and learn with. I prefer it to my MX, but perhaps because it's a little more automatic in its metering!

My question is simply how to get the metadata (or perhaps I mean EXIF) of developed film to show the camera type and the lens type. I load pictures to Flickr and whereas my digital shots will show 'Pentax K-30' and 'FA35mm', etc, of course those uploaded from a developed film disc do not. They all say Fujifilm SP-3000 or something similar (I assume this is the developing machine).

So, is it possible to change this, so I can record the true camera and lens?

many thanks

StephenHampshire · 12-20-2014, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by kentishrev

I've looked for a similar thread, but can't find one. I have recently acquired a P30N which I'm finding good fun to practice and learn with. I prefer it to my MX, but perhaps because it's a little more automatic in its metering!

My question is simply how to get the metadata (or perhaps I mean EXIF) of developed film to show the camera type and the lens type. I load pictures to Flickr and whereas my digital shots will show 'Pentax K-30' and 'FA35mm', etc, of course those uploaded from a developed film disc do not. They all say Fujifilm SP-3000 or something similar (I assume this is the developing machine).

So, is it possible to change this, so I can record the true camera and lens?

many thanks

There are a number of programmes available that can change exif data - which is what you need to do. I use exif pilot, (www.exifpilot.com) which s freeware and suits my needs - you can import exif data from one image to another (usefu for me as sometimes the exif gets "lost" if pp'ing using multiple programmes) or you can enter details manually.

Other programmes available!

**PJ1** · 12-20-2014, 01:54 AM

Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age.

kentishrev · 12-20-2014, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by PJ1

Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age.

Indeed. And this is the issue. I get the film developed and put onto a disc which, as a digital product, contains metadata; it is the data the disc shows that I want to edit, in order to put the camera and lens type into that background information. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

---------- Post added 12-20-14 at 09:11 AM ----------

Originally posted by StephenHampshire

There are a number of programmes available that can change exif data - which is what you need to do. I use exif pilot, (www.exifpilot.com) which s freeware and suits my needs - you can import exif data from one image to another (usefu for me as sometimes the exif gets "lost" if pp'ing using multiple programmes) or you can enter details manually.

Other programmes available!

That's great, thanks. I use a Mac, and this programme seems to be for PCs only. So I'll keep looking . But helpful to know this is the kind of thing I'm searching for. I'm surprised Elements doesn't have this as a simple part of the editing package.

**wirrah** · 12-20-2014, 02:30 AM

I use exiftool on my Mac to update all the necessary fields (camera, lens etc.). It's a command line utility and works well.

kentishrev · 12-20-2014, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by wirrah

I use exiftool on my Mac to update all the necessary fields (camera, lens etc.). It's a command line utility and works well.

Thanks. How could I not want to use a tool that (really) includes: 'Decodes a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma' on its list of features.

**PJ1** · 12-20-2014, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by kentishrev

Sorry if I wasn't clear

My apologies. I think exiftool is your answer.

hks_kansei · 12-20-2014, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by PJ1

Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age.

Some of the data backs allowed the imprint of aperture and shutter details.
The dial data MX apparently allows this.

Backs for the Pentax K-Mount Bodies

**wirrah** · 12-20-2014, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by kentishrev

Thanks. How could I not want to use a tool that (really) includes: 'Decodes a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma' on its list of features.

It does it well...

stevebrot · 01-05-2015, 12:19 PM

I use exiftool in combination with ExifToolGUI. The GUI allows easy bulk writes into multiple files. Unfortunately ExifToolGUI is no longer actively maintained, but should work with current versions of exiftool.

ExifTool by Phil Harvey

ExifToolGUI
Latest ExiftoolGUI version 5.15

Steve

Jamey777 · 01-05-2015, 12:58 PM

analogExif on mac is what I use, graphical and all... very nice

AnalogExif | SourceForge.net

LesDMess · 01-05-2015, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by PJ1

Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age.

There may be others but the Canon 1V and Maxxum 9 are two film cameras I know with the ability to record full shooting data.

**ChrisPlatt** · 01-06-2015, 02:28 AM

Once you learn the effects of shutter speed and aperture it's usually quite easy to discern what you've done wrong (or right) just by looking at your photos.
I often wonder why we feel compelled to quantify everything, and warehouse mountains of meaningless data - simply because we can?
If you must, there's always a pencil and paper, a method that worked for centuries before computers. And no batteries are required!

Chris

kentishrev · 01-07-2015, 02:22 PM

Thanks to all for your help. I've ended up going in circles on some of these that won't load on a mac (as some are no longer available through the App Store). I've ended up with Exif Editor, which seems to do the tricks I needed. At least I now know what film camera and lens I used (although I need to write it in a little book at the time of shooting, so I can refer back once developed!)

titrisol · 01-23-2015, 06:13 AM

There were a few cameras that could do that, the P645 and MZS among those, and a few of the latter NIkons (F4-F5)

Now to edit the EXIF you need some software like exiftool or exif-o-matic... i think there are also one or 2 add-ins for GIMP

12-20-2014, 01:27 AM	#1
kentishrev Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 180	Picture Data I've looked for a similar thread, but can't find one. I have recently acquired a P30N which I'm finding good fun to practice and learn with. I prefer it to my MX, but perhaps because it's a little more automatic in its metering! My question is simply how to get the metadata (or perhaps I mean EXIF) of developed film to show the camera type and the lens type. I load pictures to Flickr and whereas my digital shots will show 'Pentax K-30' and 'FA35mm', etc, of course those uploaded from a developed film disc do not. They all say Fujifilm SP-3000 or something similar (I assume this is the developing machine). So, is it possible to change this, so I can record the true camera and lens? many thanks

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12-20-2014, 01:52 AM	#2
StephenHampshire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Winchester Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,523	Originally posted by kentishrev I've looked for a similar thread, but can't find one. I have recently acquired a P30N which I'm finding good fun to practice and learn with. I prefer it to my MX, but perhaps because it's a little more automatic in its metering! My question is simply how to get the metadata (or perhaps I mean EXIF) of developed film to show the camera type and the lens type. I load pictures to Flickr and whereas my digital shots will show 'Pentax K-30' and 'FA35mm', etc, of course those uploaded from a developed film disc do not. They all say Fujifilm SP-3000 or something similar (I assume this is the developing machine). So, is it possible to change this, so I can record the true camera and lens? many thanks There are a number of programmes available that can change exif data - which is what you need to do. I use exif pilot, (www.exifpilot.com) which s freeware and suits my needs - you can import exif data from one image to another (usefu for me as sometimes the exif gets "lost" if pp'ing using multiple programmes) or you can enter details manually. Other programmes available!

12-20-2014, 01:54 AM	#3
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,484	Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age.

12-20-2014, 02:09 AM	#4
kentishrev Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 180 Original Poster	Originally posted by PJ1 Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age. Indeed. And this is the issue. I get the film developed and put onto a disc which, as a digital product, contains metadata; it is the data the disc shows that I want to edit, in order to put the camera and lens type into that background information. Sorry if I wasn't clear. ---------- Post added 12-20-14 at 09:11 AM ---------- Originally posted by StephenHampshire There are a number of programmes available that can change exif data - which is what you need to do. I use exif pilot, (www.exifpilot.com) which s freeware and suits my needs - you can import exif data from one image to another (usefu for me as sometimes the exif gets "lost" if pp'ing using multiple programmes) or you can enter details manually. Other programmes available! That's great, thanks. I use a Mac, and this programme seems to be for PCs only. So I'll keep looking . But helpful to know this is the kind of thing I'm searching for. I'm surprised Elements doesn't have this as a simple part of the editing package.

12-20-2014, 02:30 AM	#5
wirrah Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lower Hunter, NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 527	I use exiftool on my Mac to update all the necessary fields (camera, lens etc.). It's a command line utility and works well.

12-20-2014, 03:16 AM	#6
kentishrev Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 180 Original Poster	Originally posted by wirrah I use exiftool on my Mac to update all the necessary fields (camera, lens etc.). It's a command line utility and works well. Thanks. How could I not want to use a tool that (really) includes: 'Decodes a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma' on its list of features.

12-20-2014, 03:37 AM	#7
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,484	Originally posted by kentishrev Sorry if I wasn't clear My apologies. I think exiftool is your answer.

12-20-2014, 04:07 AM	#8
hks_kansei Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 834	Originally posted by PJ1 Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age. Some of the data backs allowed the imprint of aperture and shutter details. The dial data MX apparently allows this. Backs for the Pentax K-Mount Bodies

12-20-2014, 05:28 AM	#9
wirrah Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lower Hunter, NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 527	Originally posted by kentishrev Thanks. How could I not want to use a tool that (really) includes: 'Decodes a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma' on its list of features. It does it well...

01-05-2015, 12:19 PM	#10
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	I use exiftool in combination with ExifToolGUI. The GUI allows easy bulk writes into multiple files. Unfortunately ExifToolGUI is no longer actively maintained, but should work with current versions of exiftool. ExifTool by Phil Harvey ExifToolGUI Latest ExiftoolGUI version 5.15 Steve

01-05-2015, 12:58 PM	#11
Jamey777 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 426	analogExif on mac is what I use, graphical and all... very nice AnalogExif \| SourceForge.net

01-05-2015, 01:16 PM	#12
LesDMess Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,235	Originally posted by PJ1 Film cameras do not record that info. It would require some kind of user input if it could be done. Some cameras had the facility to date stamp the frame, but that's about all. The EXIF (metadata) is something that has evolved with the digital age. There may be others but the Canon 1V and Maxxum 9 are two film cameras I know with the ability to record full shooting data.

01-06-2015, 02:28 AM	#13
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,694	Once you learn the effects of shutter speed and aperture it's usually quite easy to discern what you've done wrong (or right) just by looking at your photos. I often wonder why we feel compelled to quantify everything, and warehouse mountains of meaningless data - simply because we can? If you must, there's always a pencil and paper, a method that worked for centuries before computers. And no batteries are required! Chris

01-07-2015, 02:22 PM	#14
kentishrev Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 180 Original Poster	Thanks to all for your help. I've ended up going in circles on some of these that won't load on a mac (as some are no longer available through the App Store). I've ended up with Exif Editor, which seems to do the tricks I needed. At least I now know what film camera and lens I used (although I need to write it in a little book at the time of shooting, so I can refer back once developed!)

01-23-2015, 06:13 AM	#15
titrisol Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the most populated state... state of denial Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,852	There were a few cameras that could do that, the P645 and MZS among those, and a few of the latter NIkons (F4-F5) Now to edit the EXIF you need some software like exiftool or exif-o-matic... i think there are also one or 2 add-ins for GIMP