In the old days...

**ChrisPlatt** · 05-13-2016, 04:59 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Davep

Using as little leader as possible to thread the film and guessing how many extra shots you could squeeze from a roll of film.

That last exposed extra bonus frame ruined, half obscured by the tape holding the film to the spool...

Chris

deus ursus · 05-14-2016, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

That last exposed extra bonus frame ruined, half obscured by the tape holding the film to the spool...

Chris

And that frame is of course the one that could earn you a fortune if it had been complete ...

**wtlwdwgn** · 05-14-2016, 09:12 AM - **1 Like**

Reloading 35mm cassettes and cramming in more film to get 40 and sometimes 42 frames only to find that the 35mm reels wouldn't hold all the film!

**ChrisPlatt** · 05-15-2016, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by wtlwdwgn

Reloading 35mm cassettes and cramming in more film to get 40 and sometimes 42 frames only to find that the 35mm reels wouldn't hold all the film!

...Not to mention the tightness advancing those first few frames, and the scratched negatives from the film surface rubbing against the inside of the overfilled cartridge.

Speaking of extra frames, does anyone remember this film from around 1980? :

Ilford HP5 Auto Winder film came in 72 exposure rolls to fit a standard 35mm camera.
It had a thinner base so that it could fit in a standard 35mm film cartridge.
I guess it never really caught on and was discontinued after a few years.

Ilford sold a steel developing tank with reel designed to accommodate the increased length.
And you think you have problems loading 36 exposure rolls on standard reels!

Chris

**wtlwdwgn** · 05-15-2016, 07:23 AM

I never knew that Ilford had auto winder film. I was out of the photo biz by that time.

Xmas · 05-16-2016, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by wtlwdwgn

I never knew that Ilford had auto winder film. I was out of the photo biz by that time.

Think it was on a PET base to allow it to be thin.
But it never caught on.
It needed to be a Kokak venture to reach a viable market share.
Like Agfa rapid failed. Even APS and 220 died a death.

**ChrisPlatt** · 05-16-2016, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Xmas

But it never caught on. It needed to be a Kokak (sic) venture to reach a viable market share.

Way back when I thought I was tres cool, using "exotic" imported Ilford film...

Chris

GarageBoy · 05-16-2016, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

For 35mm film I have always found rewinding the leader of the exposed roll completely into the cassette helps avoid confusion.

Chris

I meant with field/view camera roll film backs- you hit the interlock and advance a frame - you have to remember - "did I advance the film last time?"

Xmas · 05-16-2016, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Way back when I thought I was tres cool, using "exotic" imported Ilford film...

Chris

Different here as Kokak Harrow, London, England coated film till 2004, but soon you will be able to get Swiss...

ADOX | ADOX acquires Ilford´s medium scale coating line

**ChrisPlatt** · 05-16-2016, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by GarageBoy

I meant with field/view camera roll film backs- you hit the interlock and advance a frame - you have to remember - "did I advance the film last time?"

Indeed. One needs a good memory and deep pockets for large format photography.
Us 35mm shooters sure have it easy!

Chris

---------- Post added 05-16-16 at 06:20 PM ----------

Originally posted by Xmas

Different here as Kokak Harrow, London, England coated film till 2004, but soon you will be able to get Swiss...

ADOX | ADOX acquires Ilford´s medium scale coating line

Is that the plant Kodak Alaris just shut? 250 jobs were lost there...

Chris

Xmas · 05-17-2016, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Indeed. One needs a good memory and deep pockets for large format photography.
Us 35mm shooters sure have it easy!

Chris

---------- Post added 05-16-16 at 06:20 PM ----------

Is that the plant Kodak Alaris just shut? 250 jobs were lost there...

Chris

Hi Chris

Yes same site. When Eastman stopped film coating in 2004 or so they made about 400 redundant.
Think Alaris just laid of the remainder.
Part of the problem is the real estate in Harrow is very valuable so they can make a lot of money moving production to elsewhere and selling site to housing developer, don't know if they have done that, I only go past on train.
There had been a film coater there in 2004... It has not been recycled like the Adox one.
Alaris are a pension fund manager.

Noel

**Kerrowdown** · 05-17-2016, 03:09 AM

Explaining for the umpteenth time that it really was OK to put your XP1 (latterly XP2) film through the C41 colour process down at the local lab, cos you were in a hurry.

**wtlwdwgn** · 05-17-2016, 07:44 AM

After a day in the 'soup' your fingernails turned brown.

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05-14-2016, 05:24 AM	#62
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt That last exposed extra bonus frame ruined, half obscured by the tape holding the film to the spool... Chris And that frame is of course the one that could earn you a fortune if it had been complete ...

05-14-2016, 09:12 AM - 1 Like	#63
wtlwdwgn Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Billings, MT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,838	Reloading 35mm cassettes and cramming in more film to get 40 and sometimes 42 frames only to find that the 35mm reels wouldn't hold all the film!

05-15-2016, 05:47 AM	#64
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,694	Originally posted by wtlwdwgn Reloading 35mm cassettes and cramming in more film to get 40 and sometimes 42 frames only to find that the 35mm reels wouldn't hold all the film! ...Not to mention the tightness advancing those first few frames, and the scratched negatives from the film surface rubbing against the inside of the overfilled cartridge. Speaking of extra frames, does anyone remember this film from around 1980? : Ilford HP5 Auto Winder film came in 72 exposure rolls to fit a standard 35mm camera. It had a thinner base so that it could fit in a standard 35mm film cartridge. I guess it never really caught on and was discontinued after a few years. Ilford sold a steel developing tank with reel designed to accommodate the increased length. And you think you have problems loading 36 exposure rolls on standard reels! Chris

05-15-2016, 07:23 AM	#65
wtlwdwgn Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Billings, MT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,838	I never knew that Ilford had auto winder film. I was out of the photo biz by that time.

05-16-2016, 12:52 AM	#66
Xmas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 617	Originally posted by wtlwdwgn I never knew that Ilford had auto winder film. I was out of the photo biz by that time. Think it was on a PET base to allow it to be thin. But it never caught on. It needed to be a Kokak venture to reach a viable market share. Like Agfa rapid failed. Even APS and 220 died a death.

05-16-2016, 01:29 AM	#67
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,694	Originally posted by Xmas But it never caught on. It needed to be a Kokak (sic) venture to reach a viable market share. Way back when I thought I was tres cool, using "exotic" imported Ilford film... Chris

05-16-2016, 06:15 AM	#68
GarageBoy New Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 14	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt For 35mm film I have always found rewinding the leader of the exposed roll completely into the cassette helps avoid confusion. Chris I meant with field/view camera roll film backs- you hit the interlock and advance a frame - you have to remember - "did I advance the film last time?"

05-16-2016, 11:31 AM	#69
Xmas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 617	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Way back when I thought I was tres cool, using "exotic" imported Ilford film... Chris Different here as Kokak Harrow, London, England coated film till 2004, but soon you will be able to get Swiss... ADOX \| ADOX acquires Ilford´s medium scale coating line

05-16-2016, 03:17 PM	#70
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,694	Originally posted by GarageBoy I meant with field/view camera roll film backs- you hit the interlock and advance a frame - you have to remember - "did I advance the film last time?" Indeed. One needs a good memory and deep pockets for large format photography. Us 35mm shooters sure have it easy! Chris ---------- Post added 05-16-16 at 06:20 PM ---------- Originally posted by Xmas Different here as Kokak Harrow, London, England coated film till 2004, but soon you will be able to get Swiss... ADOX \| ADOX acquires Ilford´s medium scale coating line Is that the plant Kodak Alaris just shut? 250 jobs were lost there... Chris

05-17-2016, 02:37 AM	#71
Xmas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 617	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Indeed. One needs a good memory and deep pockets for large format photography. Us 35mm shooters sure have it easy! Chris ---------- Post added 05-16-16 at 06:20 PM ---------- Is that the plant Kodak Alaris just shut? 250 jobs were lost there... Chris Hi Chris Yes same site. When Eastman stopped film coating in 2004 or so they made about 400 redundant. Think Alaris just laid of the remainder. Part of the problem is the real estate in Harrow is very valuable so they can make a lot of money moving production to elsewhere and selling site to housing developer, don't know if they have done that, I only go past on train. There had been a film coater there in 2004... It has not been recycled like the Adox one. Alaris are a pension fund manager. Noel

05-17-2016, 03:09 AM	#72
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,818	Explaining for the umpteenth time that it really was OK to put your XP1 (latterly XP2) film through the C41 colour process down at the local lab, cos you were in a hurry.

05-17-2016, 07:44 AM	#73
wtlwdwgn Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Billings, MT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,838	After a day in the 'soup' your fingernails turned brown.