Eastman Double-X : 5222 ???

stevebrot · 11-09-2020, 11:27 PM

Does anyone have experience with this movie film shot for still photography?

Steve

**gofour3** · 11-09-2020, 11:33 PM

I've used the CineStill version and it was pretty good, though expensive.

https://cinestillfilm.com/collections/bwxx-dou/products/bwxx-double-x-36exp-...31389476880458

Phil.

leekil · 11-10-2020, 07:54 AM

It looks good from what I've seen, but I haven't used my roll yet.

g026r · 11-10-2020, 09:57 AM - **1 Like**

I've used it in the past. It's nice but, as noted, a bit pricey. The first two photos below are from a batch that I bought from someone and that I'm not certain were properly stored. The second two are from an FPP roll and more in line with what I've seen in other rolls I've purchased from them. (I haven't tried the Cinestill rolls, but I assume they'll be the same.)

One thing to keep in mind if you're using a particularly old or picky camera are the perforations. Since it's a cinema film it uses a very slightly different pitch rate than is normal for still photography. I've not had any issues with modern cameras — various late-'60s and onwards Canons, Pentaxes, and even a Horizon — but it eventually slipped the gears and failed to feed in my Contax II.

**ChrisPlatt** · 11-10-2020, 03:19 PM

This is an excellent film. Ideal speed range ISO 200-400 depending on development.
My favorite medium speed film before everyone discovered it and the price doubled and tripled...

Chris

stevebrot · 11-10-2020, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

This is an excellent film. Ideal speed range ISO 200-400 depending on development.
My favorite medium speed film before everyone discovered it and the price doubled and tripled...

Chris

The good folk at Ultrafine are selling five rolls (36exp) for $35 or 100' for $100. That is not cheap, but competitive.

Kodak 5222 Double - X Black & White Film 35mm ISO 250 - Kodak Black & White Films

I am also wanting to try Bergger Pancro400 and will presumably be seeing some Ferrania P30 shortly after the end of the year.

Steve

Lhorn · 11-10-2020, 06:39 PM

Beginner question but what’s the benefit of shooting movie film other than just being different? Finer grain?

Pics above are nice btw

stevebrot · 11-10-2020, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Lhorn

Beginner question but what’s the benefit of shooting movie film other than just being different? Finer grain?

Pics above are nice btw

For this particular emulsion, the lure is supposed to be "tonality" (broad tonal scale) and "sharpness" (acuity?). For color stock such as those offered by CineStill, draw is rendering and grain structure.

Part of the current buzz regarding XX is its high profile in recent projects that have featured one or more B&W scenes. Here are few links.

Project Double X – Eastman Kodak Double-X 5222

Shooting Eastman (Double-X) 5222 in the Leica - Rangefinderforum.com

Film stock review: Kodak EASTMAN DOUBLE-X (5222) - 35mm format - by Jonas Lundstrom | EMULSIVE

Eastman Kodak Double-X (5222) - a Cinematic Black and White Film - Casual Photophile

Film stock review: Kodak EASTMAN DOUBLE-X (5222) - 35mm format - by Alexander Laurent | EMULSIVE

https://www.flickr.com/groups/656147@N20/

Kodak | Double-X 5222

You Tube

Steve

sconut1 · 11-10-2020, 10:27 PM - **1 Like**

Stevebrot:

I've shot one roll of it. It's expensive, but I loved the results. I really like the contrast it gives, but it's not a film I'd want to use as a "go-to", simply because of its price. $20.99 CAD a roll here. I shot my roll at box speed.... 250 ASA. Was very impressed with the results. If you have an event you want really incredible B&W photos of...by all means... shoot it!

Here are some photos taken in the Canadian Rocky Mountains using Eastman 5222 using my Pentax ME and a 50mm 1.7 lens

https://www.pentaxforums.com/gallery/photo-emerald-lake-59142
https://www.pentaxforums.com/gallery/photo-takakkaw-falls-59140
https://www.pentaxforums.com/gallery/photo-takakkaw-falls-2-59141

leekil · 11-11-2020, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

For color stock such as those offered by CineStill, draw is rendering and grain structure.

Personally, the tungsten aspect of the Cinestill 800 is a draw.

stevebrot · 11-11-2020, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by leekil

Personally, the tungsten aspect of the Cinestill 800 is a draw.

Yep, that too. It just occurred to me that it has been awhile since the major makers have offered a tungsten-balanced film for still photography.

Steve

womble · 11-11-2020, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Yep, that too. It just occurred to me that it has been awhile since the major makers have offered a tungsten-balanced film for still photography.

Steve

I have a roll of that to try in my latest "Analogue Wonderland Wonderbox"**. I was planning to use it to photograph some night-time urban stuff and probably Christmas decorations next month. I'm still working my way through a couple of other film stocks.

**The "wonderbox" is a subscription package. You get six rolls of film (and other goodies) every two months. The stocks are a variety of things from standards (e.g., Pan F) to whackadoodle things (e.g., FPP "Let it snow"???). Over the two months they post a review of each film stock on youtube, and run a competition for subscribers. The competition has an award for one of the photos submitted, and a "lucky dip" award for someone chosen randomly. I won the latter last month and got, yes you guessed it, two more rolls of film. I'm quite enjoying it as I am using films I probably would never have bought in the normal run of things.

stevebrot · 11-11-2020, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by womble

The "wonderbox" is a subscription package.

Who does this, FPP?

Steve

womble · 11-11-2020, 04:09 PM

No, a British company called Analogue Wonderland.

leekil · 11-11-2020, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by womble

I have a roll of that to try in my latest "Analogue Wonderland Wonderbox"**. I was planning to use it to photograph some night-time urban stuff and probably Christmas decorations next month. I'm still working my way through a couple of other film stocks.

Not sure what it's like where you live, but since Cinestill 800 was first introduced, there's been a lot of change here in terms of outdoor night lighting.
Streetlights are now often white LEDs, which won't play as well with tungsten film. Some people seem to be into the blue that you get under these conditions; I am not really into it, though I might consider it as a particular look depending on what I was going for.

11-09-2020, 11:27 PM	#1
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Eastman Double-X : 5222 ??? Does anyone have experience with this movie film shot for still photography? Steve

11-10-2020, 10:27 PM - 1 Like	#9
sconut1 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Photos: Gallery Posts: 33	Stevebrot: I've shot one roll of it. It's expensive, but I loved the results. I really like the contrast it gives, but it's not a film I'd want to use as a "go-to", simply because of its price. $20.99 CAD a roll here. I shot my roll at box speed.... 250 ASA. Was very impressed with the results. If you have an event you want really incredible B&W photos of...by all means... shoot it! Here are some photos taken in the Canadian Rocky Mountains using Eastman 5222 using my Pentax ME and a 50mm 1.7 lens https://www.pentaxforums.com/gallery/photo-emerald-lake-59142 https://www.pentaxforums.com/gallery/photo-takakkaw-falls-59140 https://www.pentaxforums.com/gallery/photo-takakkaw-falls-2-59141 Last edited by sconut1; 11-11-2020 at 06:11 PM. Reason: No pictures

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11-09-2020, 11:33 PM	#2
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,090	I've used the CineStill version and it was pretty good, though expensive. https://cinestillfilm.com/collections/bwxx-dou/products/bwxx-double-x-36exp-...31389476880458 Phil.

11-10-2020, 07:54 AM	#3
leekil Pentaxian Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,003	It looks good from what I've seen, but I haven't used my roll yet.

11-10-2020, 09:57 AM - 1 Like	#4
g026r Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,074	I've used it in the past. It's nice but, as noted, a bit pricey. The first two photos below are from a batch that I bought from someone and that I'm not certain were properly stored. The second two are from an FPP roll and more in line with what I've seen in other rolls I've purchased from them. (I haven't tried the Cinestill rolls, but I assume they'll be the same.) One thing to keep in mind if you're using a particularly old or picky camera are the perforations. Since it's a cinema film it uses a very slightly different pitch rate than is normal for still photography. I've not had any issues with modern cameras — various late-'60s and onwards Canons, Pentaxes, and even a Horizon — but it eventually slipped the gears and failed to feed in my Contax II.

11-10-2020, 03:19 PM	#5
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,692	This is an excellent film. Ideal speed range ISO 200-400 depending on development. My favorite medium speed film before everyone discovered it and the price doubled and tripled... Chris

11-10-2020, 04:03 PM	#6
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007 Original Poster	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt This is an excellent film. Ideal speed range ISO 200-400 depending on development. My favorite medium speed film before everyone discovered it and the price doubled and tripled... Chris The good folk at Ultrafine are selling five rolls (36exp) for $35 or 100' for $100. That is not cheap, but competitive. Kodak 5222 Double - X Black & White Film 35mm ISO 250 - Kodak Black & White Films I am also wanting to try Bergger Pancro400 and will presumably be seeing some Ferrania P30 shortly after the end of the year. Steve

11-10-2020, 06:39 PM	#7
Lhorn Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 554	Beginner question but what’s the benefit of shooting movie film other than just being different? Finer grain? Pics above are nice btw

11-11-2020, 01:54 PM	#10
leekil Pentaxian Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,003	Originally posted by stevebrot For color stock such as those offered by CineStill, draw is rendering and grain structure. Personally, the tungsten aspect of the Cinestill 800 is a draw.

11-11-2020, 02:04 PM	#11
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007 Original Poster	Originally posted by leekil Personally, the tungsten aspect of the Cinestill 800 is a draw. Yep, that too. It just occurred to me that it has been awhile since the major makers have offered a tungsten-balanced film for still photography. Steve

11-11-2020, 02:50 PM	#12
womble Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hertfordshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,324	Originally posted by stevebrot Yep, that too. It just occurred to me that it has been awhile since the major makers have offered a tungsten-balanced film for still photography. Steve I have a roll of that to try in my latest "Analogue Wonderland Wonderbox". I was planning to use it to photograph some night-time urban stuff and probably Christmas decorations next month. I'm still working my way through a couple of other film stocks. The "wonderbox" is a subscription package. You get six rolls of film (and other goodies) every two months. The stocks are a variety of things from standards (e.g., Pan F) to whackadoodle things (e.g., FPP "Let it snow"???). Over the two months they post a review of each film stock on youtube, and run a competition for subscribers. The competition has an award for one of the photos submitted, and a "lucky dip" award for someone chosen randomly. I won the latter last month and got, yes you guessed it, two more rolls of film. I'm quite enjoying it as I am using films I probably would never have bought in the normal run of things.

11-11-2020, 03:24 PM	#13
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007 Original Poster	Originally posted by womble The "wonderbox" is a subscription package. Who does this, FPP? Steve

11-11-2020, 04:09 PM	#14
womble Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hertfordshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,324	No, a British company called Analogue Wonderland.

11-11-2020, 06:25 PM	#15
leekil Pentaxian Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,003	Originally posted by womble I have a roll of that to try in my latest "Analogue Wonderland Wonderbox"**. I was planning to use it to photograph some night-time urban stuff and probably Christmas decorations next month. I'm still working my way through a couple of other film stocks. Not sure what it's like where you live, but since Cinestill 800 was first introduced, there's been a lot of change here in terms of outdoor night lighting. Streetlights are now often white LEDs, which won't play as well with tungsten film. Some people seem to be into the blue that you get under these conditions; I am not really into it, though I might consider it as a particular look depending on what I was going for.