My image's are split in two

Evertking · 06-23-2021, 09:59 PM

here is what im talking about. well, one of the issues.

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Evertking · 06-23-2021, 10:04 PM

i have almost a roll of these from today!!! what am i doing wrong?? when i load the film, it looks loose when i close the back and turning the rewind knob seems to just make it worse.
had to crop to get this.

I am a complete noob when it comes to this.. im 50 and have shot film but my EOS 1N is auto... so, im sure that it could be me.

---------- Post added 06-23-21 at 10:06 PM ----------

this is the 35mm f2
what is the best 35mm m42?

stevebrot · 06-23-2021, 10:24 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Evertking

when i load the film, it looks loose when i close the back and turning the rewind knob seems to just make it worse.
had to crop to get this.

It the CLA was done locally, it may be helpful to go back to the shop and have them show you how to properly load the film. If there is a mechanical problem, they will see it then and should offer to repair for free.

For reference, the image below was taken from the Spotmatic camera manual and shows what the film should look like when loaded along with instructions. If the film is loose when the door is shut, it is probable it was not wound on enough that it is taunt between the sprockets and the canister.

Steve

HorstF · 06-24-2021, 12:35 PM

Do you scan your films yourself? Looks to me as if your scan scan frames dont's match the actual film frames. Maybe a scanning issue and nothing wrong with your camera?

35mmfilmfan · 06-24-2021, 01:14 PM

Probably a silly question, but if the film gets slack when you turn the rewind crank, are you turning it the correct way ? To tighten the film, turn the crank clockwise, as if you were rewinding a completely exposed film, but without depressing the rewind button on the base of the camera.

stevebrot · 06-24-2021, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by HorstF

Do you scan your films yourself? Looks to me as if your scan scan frames dont's match the actual film frames. Maybe a scanning issue and nothing wrong with your camera?

Getting two frames in one scan with no gap is pretty hard to do, even by accident.

Steve

womble · 06-24-2021, 03:04 PM

Apart from peace of mind that the film is advancing, there is no reason to take up the slack in the canister with the rewind crank. The film is held flat by the pressure plate and advanced by the sprockets. I must admit I'm stumped as to what is going on. It would be helpful if you could photograph a strip of film so we could see the issue more clearly. It doesn't need to be super sharp or colour balanced, just pop a strip on a light source and take a snap.

nickthetasmaniac · 06-24-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Evertking

here is what im talking about. well, one of the issues.

I don't think there's anything wrong with your camera.

That looks like a scanner issue where the frames are being automatically (and incorrectly) selected.

A photo of a negative strip with these 'split' images would help immensely.

**TwoUptons** · 06-24-2021, 05:24 PM

The image you have in post#16 looks like Nick mentioned... the scanner wasn't lined up right.
That black bar looks like the normal frame spacing, just in the wrong place in the scan....

I have the 35mm f2 Takumar (the second version) and love it.
S-M-C/Super Takumar 35mm F2 Reviews - M42 Screwmount Wide-Angle Primes - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

-Eric

stevebrot · 06-24-2021, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by TwoUptons

That black bar looks like the normal frame spacing, just in the wrong place in the scan....

I did not see the black bar on first look (blame the monitor), but now I see what you folk are talking about. If that is the explanation, the rest of the left-hand image should be on the right on the next frame.

Steve

titrisol · 06-25-2021, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by Evertking

here is what im talking about. well, one of the issues.

What is the distance between black bars (clear spaces) on your film frames (how many sprocket holes)?
It seems to me that either you are shooting half frame, or your scanner holder is misaligned
Do negatives look something like this?

If there are 9 sprocket holes between frames your scanner is misaligned

Check the sizes here:
http://www.rmm3d.com/3d.encyclopedia/formats/on.film.html

Not a Number · 06-25-2021, 05:45 AM

Yes, an image of the negative showing the sprocket holes and more than two frames would be of great help.

**UncleVanya** · 06-25-2021, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by womble

Apart from peace of mind that the film is advancing, there is no reason to take up the slack in the canister with the rewind crank. The film is held flat by the pressure plate and advanced by the sprockets. I must admit I'm stumped as to what is going on. It would be helpful if you could photograph a strip of film so we could see the issue more clearly. It doesn't need to be super sharp or colour balanced, just pop a strip on a light source and take a snap.

I agree. I only suggested it to find out IF the rewind knob is turning at the start - so that he knows if he got the film on correctly. Totally concur that there is no requirement to remove slack.

Evertking · 07-06-2021, 09:59 PM

I'm at my wit's end!!! I taped the button on the bottom the you need for rewind cause I thought maybe I bumped it.. but still slack in the film!! I load it and make sure the "teeth" are catching the film and when shooting I still see it!! I watch the rewind knob as I advance the film and some times it moves and others it does not... It's like there is slack in the film.

What am I doing wrong??? I LOVE THE SETUP... an all black Spotmatic with the 35 f2 HELP PLEASE

Evertking · 07-07-2021, 12:57 AM - **1 Like**

Ok, yes... YES!!! LOL... It is my scanner. I feel so dumb... What is wrong with the scanner? It's a new Epson v600, still got the plastic on it. Thanks for all the help!!

---------- Post added 07-07-21 at 12:59 AM ----------

Originally posted by nickthetasmaniac

I don't think there's anything wrong with your camera.

That looks like a scanner issue where the frames are being automatically (and incorrectly) selected.

A photo of a negative strip with these 'split' images would help immensely.

Thank you... THANK YOU how do I fix this?

06-23-2021, 10:04 PM	#17
Evertking New Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 10 Original Poster	i have almost a roll of these from today!!! what am i doing wrong?? when i load the film, it looks loose when i close the back and turning the rewind knob seems to just make it worse. had to crop to get this. I am a complete noob when it comes to this.. im 50 and have shot film but my EOS 1N is auto... so, im sure that it could be me. ---------- Post added 06-23-21 at 10:06 PM ---------- this is the 35mm f2 what is the best 35mm m42? Attached Images

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06-23-2021, 09:59 PM	#16
Evertking New Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 10 Original Poster	here is what im talking about. well, one of the issues. Attached Images

06-23-2021, 10:24 PM - 1 Like	#18
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Evertking when i load the film, it looks loose when i close the back and turning the rewind knob seems to just make it worse. had to crop to get this. It the CLA was done locally, it may be helpful to go back to the shop and have them show you how to properly load the film. If there is a mechanical problem, they will see it then and should offer to repair for free. For reference, the image below was taken from the Spotmatic camera manual and shows what the film should look like when loaded along with instructions. If the film is loose when the door is shut, it is probable it was not wound on enough that it is taunt between the sprockets and the canister. Steve

06-24-2021, 12:35 PM	#19
HorstF New Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 1	Do you scan your films yourself? Looks to me as if your scan scan frames dont's match the actual film frames. Maybe a scanning issue and nothing wrong with your camera?

06-24-2021, 01:14 PM	#20
35mmfilmfan Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 4,329	Probably a silly question, but if the film gets slack when you turn the rewind crank, are you turning it the correct way ? To tighten the film, turn the crank clockwise, as if you were rewinding a completely exposed film, but without depressing the rewind button on the base of the camera.

06-24-2021, 02:13 PM	#21
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by HorstF Do you scan your films yourself? Looks to me as if your scan scan frames dont's match the actual film frames. Maybe a scanning issue and nothing wrong with your camera? Getting two frames in one scan with no gap is pretty hard to do, even by accident. Steve

06-24-2021, 03:04 PM	#22
womble Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hertfordshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,324	Apart from peace of mind that the film is advancing, there is no reason to take up the slack in the canister with the rewind crank. The film is held flat by the pressure plate and advanced by the sprockets. I must admit I'm stumped as to what is going on. It would be helpful if you could photograph a strip of film so we could see the issue more clearly. It doesn't need to be super sharp or colour balanced, just pop a strip on a light source and take a snap.

06-24-2021, 05:10 PM	#23
nickthetasmaniac Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,361	Originally posted by Evertking here is what im talking about. well, one of the issues. I don't think there's anything wrong with your camera. That looks like a scanner issue where the frames are being automatically (and incorrectly) selected. A photo of a negative strip with these 'split' images would help immensely.

06-24-2021, 05:24 PM	#24
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,217	The image you have in post#16 looks like Nick mentioned... the scanner wasn't lined up right. That black bar looks like the normal frame spacing, just in the wrong place in the scan.... I have the 35mm f2 Takumar (the second version) and love it. S-M-C/Super Takumar 35mm F2 Reviews - M42 Screwmount Wide-Angle Primes - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database -Eric

06-24-2021, 10:14 PM	#25
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by TwoUptons That black bar looks like the normal frame spacing, just in the wrong place in the scan.... I did not see the black bar on first look (blame the monitor), but now I see what you folk are talking about. If that is the explanation, the rest of the left-hand image should be on the right on the next frame. Steve

06-25-2021, 05:10 AM	#26
titrisol Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the most populated state... state of denial Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,852	Originally posted by Evertking here is what im talking about. well, one of the issues. What is the distance between black bars (clear spaces) on your film frames (how many sprocket holes)? It seems to me that either you are shooting half frame, or your scanner holder is misaligned Do negatives look something like this? If there are 9 sprocket holes between frames your scanner is misaligned Check the sizes here: http://www.rmm3d.com/3d.encyclopedia/formats/on.film.html

06-25-2021, 05:45 AM	#27
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Yes, an image of the negative showing the sprocket holes and more than two frames would be of great help.

06-25-2021, 06:19 PM	#28
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,411	Originally posted by womble Apart from peace of mind that the film is advancing, there is no reason to take up the slack in the canister with the rewind crank. The film is held flat by the pressure plate and advanced by the sprockets. I must admit I'm stumped as to what is going on. It would be helpful if you could photograph a strip of film so we could see the issue more clearly. It doesn't need to be super sharp or colour balanced, just pop a strip on a light source and take a snap. I agree. I only suggested it to find out IF the rewind knob is turning at the start - so that he knows if he got the film on correctly. Totally concur that there is no requirement to remove slack.

07-06-2021, 09:59 PM	#29
Evertking New Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 10 Original Poster	I'm at my wit's end!!! I taped the button on the bottom the you need for rewind cause I thought maybe I bumped it.. but still slack in the film!! I load it and make sure the "teeth" are catching the film and when shooting I still see it!! I watch the rewind knob as I advance the film and some times it moves and others it does not... It's like there is slack in the film. What am I doing wrong??? I LOVE THE SETUP... an all black Spotmatic with the 35 f2 HELP PLEASE

07-07-2021, 12:57 AM - 1 Like	#30
Evertking New Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 10 Original Poster	Ok, yes... YES!!! LOL... It is my scanner. I feel so dumb... What is wrong with the scanner? It's a new Epson v600, still got the plastic on it. Thanks for all the help!! ---------- Post added 07-07-21 at 12:59 AM ---------- Originally posted by nickthetasmaniac I don't think there's anything wrong with your camera. That looks like a scanner issue where the frames are being automatically (and incorrectly) selected. A photo of a negative strip with these 'split' images would help immensely. Thank you... THANK YOU how do I fix this?