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07-20-2022, 10:30 AM - 3 Likes   #1
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Nikon N4004 (extended thread)

I will finally be testing my Nikon 4004.
I purchased this camera about 5 years ago and never had the opportunity to run a roll of film through her. I gave this camera a general inspection upon receiving it and all functions seemed to be fine. I never loaded this camera with film because I have shelves full of film cameras that all need film tested and it takes some time to get to every unit.

This camera was released in 1987 it was an upgrade to the N2020 with a better autofocus system. This camera boasts the AM200 module which delivers 200 CCD's compared to the N2020's 96 CCD's.
I will load this roll of film today, and it will most likely take a week or two to shoot the roll (depending on time schedule). Then I will ship the roll out. This is why I call this an extended post. I will post all images upon arrival.




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Good luck! I hope you get some excellent images.
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If I remember right, the N4004 was the first Nikon that required an AF lens (or at least one with electronics) to work at all.

That was basically the only thing I didn’t like about it when it was around.

The 6006 fixed that… and last I checked was about the same price…

-Eric
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The F401 was a cool camera; it added the side grip and the flash on top of the camera. Next the F601 and F801 (N6006 and N8008) were miles ahead, and when the N90 came out it blew everything else out of the water
I kept a F301 (N2000) only from that era which is still going strong.

However, this is a very capable camera, and should still be a lot of fun to use.
Check the notes here
https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/htmls/slr8486.htm#f401
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QuoteOriginally posted by titrisol Quote
The F401 was a cool camera; it added the side grip and the flash on top of the camera. Next the F601 and F801 (N6006 and N8008) were miles ahead, and when the N90 came out it blew everything else out of the water
I kept a F301 (N2000) only from that era which is still going strong.

However, this is a very capable camera, and should still be a lot of fun to use.
Check the notes here
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Thanks for the link. I own 20 Nikon bodies, the problem is these Nikons are only part of my collection, and it takes me time to run film through all the cameras I purchase. This camera was designed around the idea of a 'pocket camera do everything body' It's not a pocket camera by any means, but that was Nikons basic idea. This body has no control of ISO, so those who may find this a major problem would most likely be turned-off by this camera's basic design. I like it for the history, as I do many of the 35mm film cameras I purchase.

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QuoteOriginally posted by TwoUptons Quote
If I remember right, the N4004 was the first Nikon that required an AF lens (or at least one with electronics) to work at all.

That was basically the only thing I didn’t like about it when it was around.

The 6006 fixed that… and last I checked was about the same price…

-Eric
I own the 6006 and 8008 also. The 8008 is quite a capable camera.

Here is my set, 2020 not pictured here.



And my 2020 (auto focus at its infancy)



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QuoteOriginally posted by TwoUptons Quote
If I remember right, the N4004 was the first Nikon that required an AF lens (or at least one with electronics) to work at all.

That was basically the only thing I didn’t like about it when it was around.

The 6006 fixed that… and last I checked was about the same price…

-Eric
Most f-mount lenses are compatible. Manual lenses can be mounted, but all metering and program modes will be lost. the N4004 operates differently than prior Nikons in that the f/stop is selected by a dial on the body and not the lens aperture ring. When a lens is mounted on the N4004, the lens must be set to its minimum f/stop and left there.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnX Quote
Pentax?
We've always been ecumenical in the film section of the fora. As a result, we have quite an active community unlike the UK fora where the film section is almost completely dead. None of the manufacturers are competing in this sector of the market anyway.

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AM200? CCDs?
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AM200 was the advanced module of Nikon, used in the N8008, F4, and N4004
"Advanced AM200 autofocus module, which consists of an optical block and CCD line sensor package (see illustration below)- this was a far improvement from Nikon's first AF SLR model, F-501 (N2020) which uses a 96 sensors CCD but presents no advantage from the F801 which also uses the same AM200 AF-module."

Manual and autofocusing with Nikon F4 - Index Page
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QuoteOriginally posted by titrisol Quote
AM200 was the advanced module of Nikon, used in the N8008, F4, and N4004
"Advanced AM200 autofocus module, which consists of an optical block and CCD line sensor package (see illustration below)- this was a far improvement from Nikon's first AF SLR model, F-501 (N2020) which uses a 96 sensors CCD but presents no advantage from the F801 which also uses the same AM200 AF-module."

Manual and autofocusing with Nikon F4 - Index Page
Thanks for the info. K.
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AM200? CCDs?
Sorry for not clarifying in OP. I was planning on talking more about this camera after posting the images I will take.

Passive autofocus systems from the old SLR's = charge-coupled device (CCD) that provides input to algorithms that compute the contrast of the actual picture elements
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The use of CCDs of the image bounced off the mirror or the use of semi-transparent mirrors ended with the need to develop circular polarizing filters
Linear polarizer could x-polarize and fool the sensors
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N4004 was the entry level AF Nikon. N2020 was really the first throw after Minolta showed the first real system. For me N2020 was released earlier, but positioned as mid range camera. Only with N8008 Nikon joined the advanced AF world.
N4004 features were OK, but lacking decent control design and a flash put inside a SLR was really a no go for the serious photographer. FE2 was still around, FM2n was alive and F3 was about to stand next to F4. Happy days that were.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
N4004 was the entry level AF Nikon. N2020 was really the first throw after Minolta showed the first real system. For me N2020 was released earlier, but positioned as mid range camera. Only with N8008 Nikon joined the advanced AF world.
N4004 features were OK, but lacking decent control design and a flash put inside a SLR was really a no go for the serious photographer. FE2 was still around, FM2n was alive and F3 was about to stand next to F4. Happy days that were.
Yep, you would hear those rumblings all the time about built-in flash marking a camera not worthy of pro grade.

I wasn't convinced then, and I'm not convinced now that a camera with a built-in flash cannot produce the quality images shot with a pro level 35mm camera. The glass and the photographer's skill will handle everything that needs to be handled. The camera was a simple light proof box with some extra goodies tossed in once the electronic chips started to rule the world.

Good glass and skill.

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You can’t have a pro camera with a built in flash…

You can’t have a pro camera that shoots miniature format film…

You can’t have a pro camera that shoots roll film…

You can’t have a pro camera unless it shoots glass plates…

This argument has been going on for more than 100 years

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