When you open a Film door it resets the shutter count down to 0 right?

Abstract · 02-25-2011, 01:43 PM

No matter if there is film in it or not? Like lets say I took 6 photos and then opened the film door, it goes back to 0 right?

cyy47 · 02-25-2011, 02:00 PM

That's right. It should reset every time you pull the rewind knob out.

Abstract · 02-25-2011, 02:32 PM

Alright can other people please confirm this? I had to return a camera on ebay because the shutter release was broken and said that I broke it and that I had to fire off at least 40 shutters since it was back at 0 since the shutter count dial was at 6 when he sent it.

In other words, he thinks the only way it can be reset is if I the shutter worked when sent and I fired off a bunch of shots...which is untrue since all I did was open the film door and it reset to 0.

I really appreciate it.

noblepa · 02-25-2011, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Abstract

Alright can other people please confirm this? I had to return a camera on ebay because the shutter release was broken and said that I broke it and that I had to fire off at least 40 shutters since it was back at 0 since the shutter count dial was at 6 when he sent it.

In other words, he thinks the only way it can be reset is if I the shutter worked when sent and I fired off a bunch of shots...which is untrue since all I did was open the film door and it reset to 0.

I really appreciate it.

Not all film SLRs reset the film counter automatically. What kind of camera was it?

I have a Pentax H1 (1960) that does not reset the film counter. However, I know that the H1a (1962), which followed it did. Anything from the early sixties on, probably resets the counter. Before that, maybe not.

My Spotmatic (1964) resets the counter. Everythings that I have that is later than that, also resets the counter.

Wheatfield · 02-25-2011, 03:14 PM

You'd have to look pretty hard to find a camera that didn't reset the frame counter upon opening the back, and I'm pretty sure any of them would have been made prior to the early 1960s.

irishwhite · 02-25-2011, 03:24 PM

On dry firing, my spotmatic SP did not return the counter to 0. Thought that was odd...maybe it is malfunctioning?

My KM did return to 0...although I've just found out that it has film in it :-(

My Black Spotmatic SP did return the counter to 0.

Fujica AX-3 did return to 0 (actually S)

Spotmatic SP #3 in my collection also returns to 0 and I see now that the cap on the counter for the first Spotmatic I looked at is missing...so most likely it is damaged and malfunctioning

**gofour3** · 02-25-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by irishwhite

On dry firing, my spotmatic SP did not return the counter to 0. Thought that was odd...maybe it is malfunctioning?

My KM did return to 0...although I've just found out that it has film in it :-(

My Black Spotmatic SP did return the counter to 0.

Fujica AX-3 did return to 0 (actually S)

Spotmatic SP #3 in my collection also returns to 0 and I see now that the cap on the counter for the first Spotmatic I looked at is missing...so most likely it is damaged and malfunctioning

All K series film bodies (K2, KX, KM & K1000) reset the counter to zero.

Phil.

jimH · 02-25-2011, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Abstract

Alright can other people please confirm this? I had to return a camera on ebay because the shutter release was broken and said that I broke it and that I had to fire off at least 40 shutters since it was back at 0 since the shutter count dial was at 6 when he sent it.

In other words, he thinks the only way it can be reset is if I the shutter worked when sent and I fired off a bunch of shots...which is untrue since all I did was open the film door and it reset to 0.

I really appreciate it.

I don't know where they're coming from because every film camera that I've ever had reset the picture count to zero as soon as I opened the film door or released the door latch. ?????? I think the sellers is trying to pull your leg and rip you off. Another "eek bay horror story, I'm afraid.

Abstract · 02-25-2011, 07:57 PM

Its a Ricoh Xr7.

noblepa · 02-25-2011, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by jimH

I don't know where they're coming from because every film camera that I've ever had reset the picture count to zero as soon as I opened the film door or released the door latch. ?????? I think the sellers is trying to pull your leg and rip you off. Another "eek bay horror story, I'm afraid.

Its true that most film SLRs reset the film counter to zero when the rear door was opened. However, I would reiterate that Pentax cameras before about 1962 did not do so.

I have a Honeywell Pentax H1a (identical to the Asahi S1a), introduced in 1960, which does not have auto-reset. I also have a Honeywell Pentax H3v (Asahi SV), introduced in 1962, that DOES have auto-reset.

I have two Spotmatics, one Honeywell, one Asahi. Both reset the counter when the film door is opened, not when the rewind crank is pulled up. Just as an experiment, I held the door shut while pulling the rewind crank up. It did not reset. When I released the door and allowed it to pop open a bit, the film counter went to zero. There is a tiny tab on the edge of the film door that fits into a slot in the light-tight channel in the camera body. When this pin is pulled out of the slot in the body, the counter resets.

It would sure be nice to know what camera the OP is talking about. He very probably has one that does reset the counter, but we can't know for sure. Lots of pre-1962 cameras are bought/sold on eBay. The OP hasn't even said for sure that its a Pentax.

stevebrot · 02-25-2011, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

You'd have to look pretty hard to find a camera that didn't reset the frame counter upon opening the back, and I'm pretty sure any of them would have been made prior to the early 1960s.

Ummm, I had a Kiev 4AM from the early 1980s that required a manual reset...newer camera, ancient design.

Typically, though...the film counter will either reset when the camera back is opened unless it requires a manual reset by turning the dial. The scenario proposed by the seller does not sound like any camera I have ever seen.

Steve

stevebrot · 02-25-2011, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Abstract

Its a Ricoh Xr7.

The XR7 will reset to zero when the film door is opened unless the mechanism is jammed with rotten foam goo from bad seals that has worked its way into the tiny slot in the seal channel that works the reset. Refer the seller to the online manual available here:

Ricoh XR-7 on-line manual, sigma SA-1, KS-2 user manual clone

...and if he still complains, refer him to me. I have been shooting with an XR7 for almost 30 years and mine always reset to zero when the film door was opened.

Steve

(I would suggest that neutral feedback is probably too good for this seller, even if he does refund you. I would suggest that his response to this point is also enough to justify lodging a complaint with both eBay and PayPal to give you a little leverage and insurance. If the camera was listed as being fully functional, be sure that you also get your shipping back...both directions.)

IS050 · 02-25-2011, 10:42 PM

Hum, I have the same Sears-badge Ricoh XR7, I had shot three roll of films with it; the last film was 36 and had already been taken out, but the frame counter still stayed at 36! Didn’t even realize it until this discussion came up. I opened and closed the film door a few times just now and it is still not reset to zero. I hope my is not broken.

Wheatfield · 02-26-2011, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by IS050

Hum, I have the same Sears-badge Ricoh XR7, I had shot three roll of films with it; the last film was 36 and had already been taken out, but the frame counter still stayed at 36! Didn’t even realize it until this discussion came up. I opened and closed the film door a few times just now and it is still not reset to zero. I hope my is not broken.

It's broken.

stevebrot · 02-27-2011, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by IS050

Hum, I have the same Sears-badge Ricoh XR7, I had shot three roll of films with it; the last film was 36 and had already been taken out, but the frame counter still stayed at 36! Didn’t even realize it until this discussion came up. I opened and closed the film door a few times just now and it is still not reset to zero. I hope my is not broken.

Most likely has some gummy stuff (rotten seals) in the tiny hole. Not broken, just gummed up.

Steve

02-25-2011, 01:43 PM	#1
Abstract Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 388	When you open a Film door it resets the shutter count down to 0 right? No matter if there is film in it or not? Like lets say I took 6 photos and then opened the film door, it goes back to 0 right?

02-25-2011, 10:01 PM	#12
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Abstract Its a Ricoh Xr7. The XR7 will reset to zero when the film door is opened unless the mechanism is jammed with rotten foam goo from bad seals that has worked its way into the tiny slot in the seal channel that works the reset. Refer the seller to the online manual available here: Ricoh XR-7 on-line manual, sigma SA-1, KS-2 user manual clone ...and if he still complains, refer him to me. I have been shooting with an XR7 for almost 30 years and mine always reset to zero when the film door was opened. Steve (I would suggest that neutral feedback is probably too good for this seller, even if he does refund you. I would suggest that his response to this point is also enough to justify lodging a complaint with both eBay and PayPal to give you a little leverage and insurance. If the camera was listed as being fully functional, be sure that you also get your shipping back...both directions.)

02-25-2011, 10:42 PM	#13
IS050 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stumptown Photos: Gallery Posts: 434	Hum, I have the same Sears-badge Ricoh XR7, I had shot three roll of films with it; the last film was 36 and had already been taken out, but the frame counter still stayed at 36! Didn’t even realize it until this discussion came up. I opened and closed the film door a few times just now and it is still not reset to zero. I hope my is not broken. Last edited by IS050; 02-25-2011 at 11:01 PM.

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02-25-2011, 02:00 PM	#2
cyy47 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 157	That's right. It should reset every time you pull the rewind knob out.

02-25-2011, 02:32 PM	#3
Abstract Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 388 Original Poster	Alright can other people please confirm this? I had to return a camera on ebay because the shutter release was broken and said that I broke it and that I had to fire off at least 40 shutters since it was back at 0 since the shutter count dial was at 6 when he sent it. In other words, he thinks the only way it can be reset is if I the shutter worked when sent and I fired off a bunch of shots...which is untrue since all I did was open the film door and it reset to 0. I really appreciate it.

02-25-2011, 02:58 PM	#4
noblepa Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bay Village, Ohio USA Posts: 1,142	Originally posted by Abstract Alright can other people please confirm this? I had to return a camera on ebay because the shutter release was broken and said that I broke it and that I had to fire off at least 40 shutters since it was back at 0 since the shutter count dial was at 6 when he sent it. In other words, he thinks the only way it can be reset is if I the shutter worked when sent and I fired off a bunch of shots...which is untrue since all I did was open the film door and it reset to 0. I really appreciate it. Not all film SLRs reset the film counter automatically. What kind of camera was it? I have a Pentax H1 (1960) that does not reset the film counter. However, I know that the H1a (1962), which followed it did. Anything from the early sixties on, probably resets the counter. Before that, maybe not. My Spotmatic (1964) resets the counter. Everythings that I have that is later than that, also resets the counter.

02-25-2011, 03:14 PM	#5
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	You'd have to look pretty hard to find a camera that didn't reset the frame counter upon opening the back, and I'm pretty sure any of them would have been made prior to the early 1960s.

02-25-2011, 03:24 PM	#6
irishwhite Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: philadelphia Photos: Gallery Posts: 349	On dry firing, my spotmatic SP did not return the counter to 0. Thought that was odd...maybe it is malfunctioning? My KM did return to 0...although I've just found out that it has film in it :-( My Black Spotmatic SP did return the counter to 0. Fujica AX-3 did return to 0 (actually S) Spotmatic SP #3 in my collection also returns to 0 and I see now that the cap on the counter for the first Spotmatic I looked at is missing...so most likely it is damaged and malfunctioning

02-25-2011, 03:51 PM	#7
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,091	Originally posted by irishwhite On dry firing, my spotmatic SP did not return the counter to 0. Thought that was odd...maybe it is malfunctioning? My KM did return to 0...although I've just found out that it has film in it :-( My Black Spotmatic SP did return the counter to 0. Fujica AX-3 did return to 0 (actually S) Spotmatic SP #3 in my collection also returns to 0 and I see now that the cap on the counter for the first Spotmatic I looked at is missing...so most likely it is damaged and malfunctioning All K series film bodies (K2, KX, KM & K1000) reset the counter to zero. Phil.

02-25-2011, 05:36 PM	#8
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Originally posted by Abstract Alright can other people please confirm this? I had to return a camera on ebay because the shutter release was broken and said that I broke it and that I had to fire off at least 40 shutters since it was back at 0 since the shutter count dial was at 6 when he sent it. In other words, he thinks the only way it can be reset is if I the shutter worked when sent and I fired off a bunch of shots...which is untrue since all I did was open the film door and it reset to 0. I really appreciate it. I don't know where they're coming from because every film camera that I've ever had reset the picture count to zero as soon as I opened the film door or released the door latch. ?????? I think the sellers is trying to pull your leg and rip you off. Another "eek bay horror story, I'm afraid.

02-25-2011, 07:57 PM	#9
Abstract Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 388 Original Poster	Its a Ricoh Xr7.

02-25-2011, 08:00 PM	#10
noblepa Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bay Village, Ohio USA Posts: 1,142	Originally posted by jimH I don't know where they're coming from because every film camera that I've ever had reset the picture count to zero as soon as I opened the film door or released the door latch. ?????? I think the sellers is trying to pull your leg and rip you off. Another "eek bay horror story, I'm afraid. Its true that most film SLRs reset the film counter to zero when the rear door was opened. However, I would reiterate that Pentax cameras before about 1962 did not do so. I have a Honeywell Pentax H1a (identical to the Asahi S1a), introduced in 1960, which does not have auto-reset. I also have a Honeywell Pentax H3v (Asahi SV), introduced in 1962, that DOES have auto-reset. I have two Spotmatics, one Honeywell, one Asahi. Both reset the counter when the film door is opened, not when the rewind crank is pulled up. Just as an experiment, I held the door shut while pulling the rewind crank up. It did not reset. When I released the door and allowed it to pop open a bit, the film counter went to zero. There is a tiny tab on the edge of the film door that fits into a slot in the light-tight channel in the camera body. When this pin is pulled out of the slot in the body, the counter resets. It would sure be nice to know what camera the OP is talking about. He very probably has one that does reset the counter, but we can't know for sure. Lots of pre-1962 cameras are bought/sold on eBay. The OP hasn't even said for sure that its a Pentax.

02-25-2011, 09:47 PM	#11
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Wheatfield You'd have to look pretty hard to find a camera that didn't reset the frame counter upon opening the back, and I'm pretty sure any of them would have been made prior to the early 1960s. Ummm, I had a Kiev 4AM from the early 1980s that required a manual reset...newer camera, ancient design. Typically, though...the film counter will either reset when the camera back is opened unless it requires a manual reset by turning the dial. The scenario proposed by the seller does not sound like any camera I have ever seen. Steve

02-26-2011, 10:11 AM	#14
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by IS050 Hum, I have the same Sears-badge Ricoh XR7, I had shot three roll of films with it; the last film was 36 and had already been taken out, but the frame counter still stayed at 36! Didn’t even realize it until this discussion came up. I opened and closed the film door a few times just now and it is still not reset to zero. I hope my is not broken. It's broken.

02-27-2011, 12:01 AM	#15
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by IS050 Hum, I have the same Sears-badge Ricoh XR7, I had shot three roll of films with it; the last film was 36 and had already been taken out, but the frame counter still stayed at 36! Didn’t even realize it until this discussion came up. I opened and closed the film door a few times just now and it is still not reset to zero. I hope my is not broken. Most likely has some gummy stuff (rotten seals) in the tiny hole. Not broken, just gummed up. Steve