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05-07-2011, 03:54 PM   #1
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What Spotmatic version is this?

Hi, just acquired a Spotmatic as a gift to the person that talked me into Pentax, and as soon as I got it, I compared it to mine. Very strangely, they are quite different, although both are labeled Asahi Pentax SPII. I took some pictures (with my mobile phone sadly, but I currently don't have access to a DSLR and I strongly hate point and shoots), so you can see what are the differences I'm talking about.
- although the lens is Super-Multi-Coated, the rear looks like one from a Super Takumar (no aperture lugs). I thought all S-M-C's had them.
- the two screws near the viewfinder are flat, not Phillips type

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- the font is different on the leather case and on the shutter time dial
- "Japan" instead of "Made in Japan"
- plastic tripod mount instead of metallic
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- engraved "SW" on light meter switch instead of painted.

Otherwise it's the very same camera, but it intrigues me that a mass produced camera can have these distinctive signs. What would your explanation be?
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As far as the lenses are concerned, The "Super Multi Coated" Takumars were intriduced around the time of the SPII. The SMC Takumars came along with the SPF and had the extra lug. As the lenses were produced in batches, there can be some overlap. The later SMC Taks had a different grip as well.

The cases often got mixed up and most of the later ones were interchangable. Screws could come from a repair or again different batch.

What are the serial numbers? That may give a better idea of when they were produced.

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On the new camera: 4692043 for the lens, 5137084 for the body.
On mine: 6166945 for the lens, 5358039 for the body.
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Gerjan says The first SPII produced from April-September 1971 had S-M-C 55/1.8 without aperture lever, in October 1971 light meter switch changed from resin to aluminum...
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I don't know who Gerjan is, but anyway thanks for the info. Seems accurate enough. When did the SPII enter production, and when did it cease?
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I suspect that the lens on the new camera comes from a different body. It is certinly in the number series when they didn't seem to be producing the SPF and in in the middle of the numbers for the Super Multi Coated Lenses. However the body serial number comes from the period when they were producing the SPF and so I would have expected it to come with and SMC lens.

The later lens certainly comes well into the serial numbers when they were SMC lenses.

Not sure if it will help but there are some catalogues on my site which might help you identify them.

I will have a look in some of the other material I am trying to get time to scan as well.

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On the new camera: 4692043 for the lens, 5137084 for the body.
On mine: 6166945 for the lens, 5358039 for the body.


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Wow, I didn't understand a thing.
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SPII was introduced in April 1971 and remained in production until 1976 with the advent of the K mount.

A couple of "pimped" Spotties:

http://pentax-manuals.com/camgallery/gallery5.htm
http://pentax-manuals.com/camgallery/gallery6.htm

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I don't know who Gerjan is, but anyway thanks for the info. Seems accurate enough. When did the SPII enter production, and when did it cease?
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All cameras, by all makes, are subject to minor variants over time. Little things are changed to make them more useable/durable in the field, to save 1/2 cent per camera, etc. The Spotmatic was in production for so long that these small variances are commonplace. When a new variant entered production, stocks of old parts would be used up, cameras sent in for repair would be repaired with new, rather than vintage, parts, etc.

This is nothing unusual for consumer goods, and large- long-term production pieces like Spotmatics, K1000s, Prakticas, Exaktas, et al. are especially prone to show these sorts of things.

Also, be aware of the difference between SMC lenses, which have the multi-coatings in a Super-Takumar body, and S-M-C lenses, which have the aperture linkage.
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it must be a SPII as it has the fixed mounted hotshoe.
For further reference please check this link
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I think you got that on the opposite, Super-Multi-Coated had the same body as the Super, and SMC had rubberized focusing ring. But my lens is Super-Multi-Coated and still has that aperture linkage.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kcobain1992 Quote
I don't know who Gerjan is, but anyway thanks for the info. Seems accurate enough. When did the SPII enter production, and when did it cease?
Gerjan van Oosten, author of "The Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screw Mount Guide", 1999.

SP II
"Years of manufacture: April 1971 - July 1973"
"Japan: October 1974 - January 1977"

He says S-M-C lens sold with first SP II had no aperture coupling, was 55/1.8 -- is your lens a 50/1.4? If so, this is new information.

What is known is last Super-TAKUMAR 50/1.4 had aperture coupling and S-M-C coatings.
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My lens is S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, the new lens is S-M-C Takumar 55/1.8.
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