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05-13-2011, 12:38 AM   #1
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ME Super and 3200 ASA Film

Hello everyone !!

I recently bought an ME Super, a brilliant little camera as you all know !!

I only have one question...since I can set the camera for only up to 1600 ASA film, how can I use a 3200 ASA ?

I ask that because I can only find 3200 films and it's a problem as you might understand.
I want to try some night shots that's why I want to use such a film, but the ASA "restriction" of the camera has made me wonder.

I also have a Canon AE 1 which can go up to 3200 but I really want to stick to my Pentax !!

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I haven't used my ME Super for some time, but on the dial to the left of the viewfinder, you should be able to modify the metered exposure. I think it has settings like 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4; etc.
If you set the camera to underexpose by 1 stop it should have the same effect as setting the camera to 3200 ASA.

I think the setting you want would be "1/2" to underexpose by 1 stop (ie. half as much light).
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So, I set the ASA dial at 1600 and I underexpose by one stop ?

Or should I turn the EV dial at 2x which should be one stop over ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by goddo31 Quote
I haven't used my ME Super for some time, but on the dial to the left of the viewfinder, you should be able to modify the metered exposure. I think it has settings like 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4; etc.
If you set the camera to underexpose by 1 stop it should have the same effect as setting the camera to 3200 ASA.

I think the setting you want would be "1/2" to underexpose by 1 stop (ie. half as much light).
That won't work. On the ME Super, when you have the ISO dial at 1600, the exposure compensation selector can't be moved to x1/2 or x1/4 i.e. underexposure, unless of course my ME Super isn't working correctly

So 1600 is a hard limit in automatic mode. The OP can go into manual mode and use the LEDs and the shutter speed buttons to underexpose by one stop.


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@Vendee has the best answer. Why the range for the ME Super stops at 1600 is pretty much a mystery since other earlier Pentax cameras went as high as 6400 (my KX) and the competition (my Ricoh XR7 and your AE-1, for example) went 3200. Who knows, maybe the small physical size of the camera (circumference of the ASA dial?) played a part. All of the M-series bodies have 1600 upper limit.


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QuoteOriginally posted by MacGreg Quote
Hello everyone !!

I recently bought an ME Super, a brilliant little camera as you all know !!

I only have one question...since I can set the camera for only up to 1600 ASA film, how can I use a 3200 ASA ?

I ask that because I can only find 3200 films and it's a problem as you might understand.
I want to try some night shots that's why I want to use such a film, but the ASA "restriction" of the camera has made me wonder.

I also have a Canon AE 1 which can go up to 3200 but I really want to stick to my Pentax !!
You should be able to find some slower film, 3200 ISO is rather fast and will be grainy.
I never shoot with film over 400ISO, including night work. With a tripod I’ve used even Kodachrome 64 at night.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Vendee Quote
That won't work. On the ME Super, when you have the ISO dial at 1600, the exposure compensation selector can't be moved to x1/2 or x1/4 i.e. underexposure, unless of course my ME Super isn't working correctly

So 1600 is a hard limit in automatic mode. The OP can go into manual mode and use the LEDs and the shutter speed buttons to underexpose by one stop.
Oops... As you can tell I hadn't actually done it before at the max of 1600.
Apologies for the misleading information!
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Thanks for the advice people !

Unfortunately at 1600 ME only goes 2x or 4x so it Overexposes...the dial can't move to underexposure.

But luckily I found a couple of 1600 Fuli Neopan.....I 'll see what I will do with those.

The point is that I don't want to use a tripod, so a rather fast film is a one way for me during night shots.

In any case, thanks for all the help !!!
I hope that finding 1600 film won't be much of a problem.

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It shouldn't be, Fuji has the Neopan 1600, which I think is very smooth, and not that grainy.
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One of the reasons for this is the way the meter couples with the shutter. Also, it was designed when films were generally slower than they are today.

Even at 1600ASA bear in mind the meter is only accurate down to 1/15 sec.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kim C Quote
One of the reasons for this is the way the meter couples with the shutter. Also, it was designed when films were generally slower than they are today.

Even at 1600ASA bear in mind the meter is only accurate down to 1/15 sec.

Kim
Ummm...the chart reflects the low end limit of the meter sensitivity as it is applied to shutter. Using the term "coupling" is a little misleading. ISO 100 at f/1 at EV1(100), the meters low-end sensitivity, is 1 second. Extending the ISO range to 3200 would simply have added another row to the table. The key sentence in the text is the last one. If the red LED lights up, the meter does not have enough light. It should be noted that my K10D has the same general limitation. The only cameras that don't are those that meter directly from the film/sensor during the exposure (e.g. Pentax LX).


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Yes, I perhaps explained it badly. I was talking about the 2 seperate factors at play. One is the sensitivity of the meter and the other the way the shutter works.

The shutter in the K10D like that in the MES is an electronic one. The shutter in the LX is a mechanical which is controlled electronically. (Why it keeps working without batteries )

"Fast" film in the early 80's when the MES was introduced, was generally 400ASA. Push this 2 stops and you get to 1600. There were some higher speed recording films around but not easily available and less likely to be used in the MES. So why go to the expense of making the metering system control the shutter at very high ASA when it wasn't generally available.

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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Ummm...the chart reflects the low end limit of the meter sensitivity as it is applied to shutter. Using the term "coupling" is a little misleading. ISO 100 at f/1 at EV1(100), the meters low-end sensitivity, is 1 second. Extending the ISO range to 3200 would simply have added another row to the table. The key sentence in the text is the last one. If the red LED lights up, the meter does not have enough light. It should be noted that my K10D has the same general limitation. The only cameras that don't are those that meter directly from the film/sensor during the exposure (e.g. Pentax LX).


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