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07-18-2011, 04:16 PM   #31
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1/500s and f/11 with 400 speed film on a sunny day is only 1 stop over the sunny 16 rule so you should have got decent exposures even at f/8. I have found that I like my exposures better if I use "Sunny 11" instead of sunny 16 so with that the f/8 shots are only plus 1 stop. C-41 and true B&W films should have more than enough latitude for that overexposure. If you're getting blanks I would check your shutter.
My Electro will be going into the shop before long. I had several more blank shots mid roll of the color film I shot on Saturday. No underexposures outdoors.
The b&w roll last weekend was developed by a local camera shop in house; this roll was at my local Walgreen's.

I think you called it.

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My Electro will be going into the shop before long. I had several more blank shots mid roll of the color film I shot on Saturday. No underexposures outdoors.
The b&w roll last weekend was developed by a local camera shop in house; this roll was at my local Walgreen's.

I think you called it.
Sorry to hear that,
I'm always super bummed when one of my cameras quits working correctly.
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My Electro will be going into the shop
POD (Pad Of Death)?

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POD (Pad Of Death)?

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I hope the prognosis is good, and the patient will recover. It is a very sharp camera at f16. And to think it was only $12 and shipping on Ebay three years ago. The shop I use for repair is great, and a local brick and mortar.

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POD is repairable, but you must find someone who knows Yashicas...

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POD is repairable, but you must find someone who knows Yashicas...

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They've done well thus far...but just in case, I'm watching for another GS/GSN/GT/GTN. In the meantime, I loaded my MG-1 with Tri-X to use tomorrow.

Sorry for maybe hijacking the thread from the OP; but perhaps this can be helpful too. If you find a good RF you enjoy; buy a second one just in case. All the whiz bang automatic everything cameras are good, but an older film camera is just a totally different experience that can be a real pleasure.
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rt22306,
Sorry to hear about that your camera isn't working. Hopefully this won't be the end of shooting with an RF.

To add to the discussion about RF, first I only focus at wider apertures or when shooting close up. Most of the time when shooting outdoors, I set to my 35mm lens to f/16 and set the infinity mark to f/16 on the DOF scale. Everything from 1.2 meters on will be in focus. I then just use the camera like a point-and-shoot. When I do need to focus, I start turning the focusing ring before bringing the camera up to my eye and when it gets there, just a little adjustment is needed. Besides the smaller size, the quietness, etc. the other advantage of an RF has for street photography is one doesn't need to have their eyes glued to the camera for a very long time. Just bring it to your eye briefly to take the shot and then put the camera down again.

The main advantage of using an RF for me is that I'm not looking through the lens. I'm looking through a window with framelines and unlimited DOF. In other words, the view through the window is the same as the scene before my naked eye - no blurry foreground or background and almost as bright. I have the 35mm and 50mm framelines memorized and know how they'll sit when I'm looking at a scene. (This will only come with practice.). When I want to take a photo, I get into position, bring the camera to my eye, press the shutter and then bring the camera down again. That is the key for me. Photography here is a subtractive exercise. I see an image within the flux and chaos and I extract the image by placing a frame around it.

When I use an SLR (or my TLR or view camera), it is a completely different process because I'm looking through the lens. Looking through the lens for me is like looking through a telescope. I focus back and forth going from different stages of blurriness and sharpness. I am also moving left, right, up and down with my eye glued to the viewfinder seeking out an image or perhaps making an image in the viewfinder. Once I'm satisfied with the image I see in the viewfinder and then snap. This is more of a constructivist method of creating and image as opposed to a subtractive exercise. In turn, the type of photograph I take with my Pentaxes, TLR and view camera tend to have a similar look. However, they are different from the photographs that I take with my Leicas.

The RF (or a direct view camera like a Rollei 35) real advantage is that it promote a different way of seeing. Extracting (or taking) an image instead of creating an image.

I think that many SLR users often cannot adapt well to RF's because they treat them like SLR's. That's why there are complaints about inaccurate framelines, for example. As an RF user primarily, accuracy comes from knowing the lens on the camera and where to position yourself to take the shot. The framelines on my Leicas are accurate enough to serve as confirmation that I positioned myself correctly. With enough practice, one can become extremely precise. As an example, take a look a the following photograph taken by Henri Cartier- Bresson using a Leica. Taken from close up but he still managed to compose the scene to the golden triangles and golden sections with tremendous precision, with perfect focus and it is likely that HC-B just brought his camera to his eye for a second or two. Honestly, take a look at any of his photographs - only painters are more precise when it comes to adhering to classical geometry and composition.

The same is true for RF users going the other way - one can't use an SLR like an RF. I had tremendous difficulties dealing with the blur when looking looking through the lens. In particular, if the background is blurred how do I begin to compose a scene? I didn't like to use the DOF preview lever because the VF got too dark. In the beginning, I dealt with this problem by focussing on infinity first (quickly), then I focussed on my subject - I then tried to compute the two images in my head. Isn't that insane? Composing through an SLR's VF took too much time for me - I think I got myself down to about 3-4 seconds to compose and focus. Then I decided to regulate myself to only using wides like my 28mm Takumar, which I could set hyperfocal distance and everything in the VF would be sharp and I could use the camera like a point-and-shoot. But what's the point of that when I already do this with my RF's? In addition, because RF's lack the mirror-box, the wide-angles lenses are much smaller and offer better image quality. I drove myself nuts! I also used to get preoccupied with not knowing what his happening outside of the frame. Not so much with SLR's but very preoccupied when I was looking down (and not toward the scene) with my Rolleiflex or when I was under a dark cloth. I had to change the way I was seeing. I had to begin constructing an image with the camera when viewing through a lens instead of just taking an image that was already there. Does that make sense? Once I got past this, I started to enjoy through-the-lens cameras. I now have more through-the-lens cameras then RF's even though I still use RF's for the majority of my photographs.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Keep on truckin'!

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Naw, I don't think one problem with my GS will chase me out of the RF arena. A local shop ran by two brothers, with about 50 years of experience in repairs between them should be able to help it. If not, there's Mark Hama. And I still have my Yashica MG-1 (it's not as great as the Electros, but...). Taking the GS to them on Monday.

Seriously, I'm also thinking of trying a Minolta Hi-Matic, probably the E or 7Sii. Their weak point seems to be solder points not lasting though.

Happy shooting! I've got to pack up the K-5 for a jaunt this weekend.

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Consider a Konica RF as well, these are super nice.

nando, excellent post!

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I'm sorry that this is not pentax related but here goes...
Recently, I found a nice Canonet QL17 at an antique mall for only $40 so I decided to snap it up...
... Are there any tips you have for getting accustomed to rangefinder shooting?
I have several RFs of different makes and my approach is to use them -where possible- in hyperfocal distance focusing mode. This makes them very fast and convenient.
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who was that female photographer 'discovered' last year with the thousands of street shots made with a 120 TLR? ... vivian... Vivian Maier.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/general-photography/127809-more-regarding...tographer.html

The point? there's an excellent exception to every rule. Which should encourage us to do the 'wrong' thing, go against the consensus, and make what we have work instead of buying another bit to work it. As Pentaxians we're already 1/2 way there
Stepping in quite late in this one....

Bought a Canonet (the first version) last week. The selenium meter doesn't seem to work, but I will use it with the Sunny 16 rule most of the time, I guess, like most of my film cameras. The discovery of the photos from Vivian Maier inspired me to buy a Yashica-D, and it became my favourite camera very quickly, at least for street photography! A waist level finder is such an advantage for street shooting, most people don't even recognise the 'box' as a camera.... Holding it at belly hight makes this even better.... And the left-right shift? Shoot people in their face, there will be no problem... Well face.... lower body parts.... ah.... you know what I mean.....
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Bought a Canonet (the first version) last week
Your FED is going to be jealous.

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Your FED is going to be jealous.

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FEDs! There are three, and one broken....
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FEDs! There are three, and one broken....
Well you know what they say in Utah: only the first two are jealous, after that they're used to it...
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Aside from ebay, is there a place online that sells working Canonets? I am missing mine and I want to get into RF's again. I was thinking like a site like this, Russian and Soviet Cameras from Fedka.com (they sell FSU RFs) but they sell canonets instead. I miss the very quiet shutter.
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