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06-02-2016, 04:08 PM - 1 Like   #5071
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QuoteOriginally posted by dsmithhfx Quote
One of your better pictures of a motor vehicle. Not sure the star burst effect really adds anything to it.
Citing Roy Batty from Blade Runner: "I have done questionable things" with these starburst filters.



This is not even one of the worst.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
Citing Roy Batty from Blade Runner: "I have done questionable things" with these starburst filters.



This is not even one of the worst.
For one so vehemently opposed to PP 'tricks', I admire your chutzpah.
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Pretty happy with this one, not least because I had to crouch on an overpass with the M2 to my eye for about 20 minutes waiting for someone to come out of the entrance

M2, VM 28/f2 and TMAX100. V550 scan.


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QuoteOriginally posted by nickthetasmaniac Quote
Pretty happy with this one, not least because I had to crouch on an overpass with the M2 to my eye for about 20 minutes waiting for someone to come out of the entrance

M2, VM 28/f2 and TMAX100. V550 scan.


Nice! The dedication payed off!
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Nice! The dedication payed off!
That's about 19 minutes 57 seconds more patience than I've got.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dsmithhfx Quote
For one so vehemently opposed to PP 'tricks', I admire your chutzpah.
I don' t consider the starburst filter as PP "trick" because it's done before an not added later, so the photographer can decide if he has to use it or not, how many points, then he can turn the filter to decide which angulation he wants and it's all composed in the viewfinder, so I assume it's a sort of "pre-processing", like choosing a green filter for a portrait in B&W or a warming filter in a cloudy day.

You know once upon a time before the digital era there were rock bands, mythological conglomeration of real people who were real musicians and they played live for real! Some of them like Queen and Boston also wrote in the sleeve notes of their albums "no synthesizers in this record" to point out that the sounds the buyer was about to listen were really produced by them with musical instruments...this is more or less the same thing.

Also, I bought three of these for cheap so I decided to play a little bit, I admired the effect in some old pictures of the 70s so I decided to experiment...if you want to see a real pornographic use of this effect I might suggest this shot:



'Also with this Jaguar I didn't joke:



I understand they are not really b&w but the result is almost monochromatic, so perhaps they are not out of place here.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
I don' t consider the starburst filter as PP "trick" because it's done before an not added later, so the photographer can decide if he has to use it or not, how many points, then he can turn the filter to decide which angulation he wants and it's all composed in the viewfinder, so I assume it's a sort of "pre-processing", like choosing a green filter for a portrait in B&W or a warming filter in a cloudy day.

You know once upon a time before the digital era there were rock bands, mythological conglomeration of real people who were real musicians and they played live for real! Some of them like Queen and Boston also wrote in the sleeve notes of their albums "no synthesizers in this record" to point out that the sounds the buyer was about to listen were really produced by them with musical instruments...this is more or less the same thing.
I think the musical analogy is apt, but IMO it also just supplies another view from which I just disagree. While I admire the "pure" (this word is used a lot) and "traditional" photographic approach, and I obviously prefer film photography, I just don't believe that PP "tricks" or a digital workflow is any less artistic. Today there are remarkable bands still that play their recorded stuff live, sometimes better, and who record analog from source to listening format.... There are also strictly digital (and FAR FAR more that are somewhere in between) artists that create astounding music - and it isn't any less "musical" for it.

One of my best friends is a composer and music teacher and can play (uncommonly well) just about any instrument you put in front of him. He's recorded pure acoustic tracks and purely digital tracks. He's composed simple 1-guitar 1-vocal ballads and he's written full orchestral pieces - some of which even have digital, synthesized instrumental portions, some which have none but just good old woodwinds, strings and brass, mic'd up in a single take. You could (unsuccessfully, IMO) even argue that multi-track recording is a "trick", even when it was strictly analog, even on *glorious* 2-inch tape. :-O All of this doesn't change the fact that he's musically gifted in every sense of the word. Is Moby any more or less talented than Bob Dylan? Nope, not really. And when Bob started playing electric guitar half the world denounced him as a sell-out... pay no mind to his mid-career masterpieces. Where are those critics now?

Sorry for the diatribe! I understand the sentiment, I just disagree with it...
You can add star effects before or after, just as you can add reverb from the amp, or in post. One isn't better than the other.... Though I'd certainly prefer playing with "real" reverb at the amp I'd often do without so that I could decide how much and what kind later, before it was too late to take back - much like adding the star filter later.. how much... what kind? And, you could argue that both are wrong and the reverb isn't genuine unless it's pure, e.g. placing that amp or instrument in a deep stairwell, small room, or large concert hall... Are the alternatives really "tricks", or are they too "tools"?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
Also, I bought three of these for cheap so I decided to play a little bit, I admired the effect in some old pictures of the 70s so I decided to experiment...if you want to see a real pornographic use of this effect I might suggest this shot:
You would like a "soft" lens if you want that 70's porno look! (Think Andrea True Connection "More, more, more", she actually dabbled in that field)


The K85/2.2 Soft is recommended and is lots of fun. Even better is the 6x7 120/3.5 Soft, as you can use it as a regular lens above f8.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
I don' t consider the starburst filter as PP "trick" because it's done before an not added later, so the photographer can decide if he has to use it or not, how many points, then he can turn the filter to decide which angulation he wants and it's all composed in the viewfinder, so I assume it's a sort of "pre-processing", like choosing a green filter for a portrait in B&W or a warming filter in a cloudy day.

You know once upon a time before the digital era there were rock bands, mythological conglomeration of real people who were real musicians and they played live for real! Some of them like Queen and Boston also wrote in the sleeve notes of their albums "no synthesizers in this record" to point out that the sounds the buyer was about to listen were really produced by them with musical instruments...this is more or less the same thing.
Is it a nostalgia thing?
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QuoteOriginally posted by dsmithhfx Quote
Is it a nostalgia thing?
Have you seen the pic of my avatar? How old do you think I am?
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Oooooh - sassy.
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Oooooh - sassy.
Despite of the inferences and malignities of some people of this board, this picture was NOT taken in 1976. Or in 1986. Or in 1996. Or in 2006 for the matter.



That has been taken last week to test the DOF of the M85mm f2, the camera is of course the LX and the film XP2+.

And yes I could have sharpened it but I decided not to do so...and not because I am old!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
I don' t consider the starburst filter as PP "trick" because it's done before an not added later, so the photographer can decide if he has to use it or not, how many points, then he can turn the filter to decide which angulation he wants and it's all composed in the viewfinder, so I assume it's a sort of "pre-processing", like choosing a green filter for a portrait in B&W or a warming filter in a cloudy day.

You know once upon a time before the digital era there were rock bands, mythological conglomeration of real people who were real musicians and they played live for real! Some of them like Queen and Boston also wrote in the sleeve notes of their albums "no synthesizers in this record" to point out that the sounds the buyer was about to listen were really produced by them with musical instruments...this is more or less the same thing.
Making adjustments pre-photo requires you to commit to your convictions and accept the outcome regardless of the result. You have taken a leap of faith, trusting in your own judgement as a photographer. Adding a starburst effect in PP does not require any commitment from the artist as nothing is irreversible.
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