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06-06-2016, 04:07 AM   #5101
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QuoteOriginally posted by dsmithhfx Quote
Some of the more egregious problems could be fixed by very little pp work. What have you got to lose by trying?
I sort of get what he's driving at. I've just finished digitising (by the slide-copier-macro-lens-and-flash method) a couple of rolls of film I just developed at home, and I am trying to work towards a standard PP process I could put them through which would reveal the flaws inherent in my own photographic skills. Yes, I can fix just about anything in Raw Therapee when I bring it across from the "scanned" negative, but until I have some sort of standardised process I will never really be sure if I'm doing my best at the time I actually push the shutter button or whether it's film X or Y making the difference or me playing around with pixels after digitisation (I am not currently in a position to consider wet-printing at home, and any B&W wet-printing I do with physical rather than scanned negatives would require sendout to a specialist lab with either a 2 week turnaround time or eating the postage costs both ways).

I'm well aware that expose-develop-print can be thought of as a continuum, with the final result standing as a testimony to the entire process, but with colour film the develop-print cycle is out of my hands and I have to do my best at the exposure part of the cycle if I am to achieve a decent result. Colour film tests my skill at that part of the process, as well as qualitative/tonal/grain differences between films of the same ISO rating, in a way that home-cooked B&W does not.

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QuoteOriginally posted by dsmithhfx Quote
Well, generally speaking it appears you may have more of a problem with metering, and failing to anticipate the film characteristics, as well as not taking advantage of pp, even if you did it by strictly traditional darkroom methods e g. selecting suitable contrast grade of paper, dodging, burning etc. But instead you are leaving it to the 'black box' of your scanning method and rely on that rather hit-or- miss (mostly miss) outcome. Some of the more egregious problems could be fixed by very little pp work. What have you got to lose by trying?
Yes Mr.Professional, I am not even capable to meter and my pics sucks.

Wait...how is that possible that two people have liked the test pics I posted? And how is that possible that I have more likes than you?
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Awesome site (near infamous Meech Lake no less), awesome story http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/carbide-willson-ruins and awesome pics!

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Yes Mr.Professional, I am not even capable to meter and my pics sucks.

Wait...how is that possible that two people have liked the test pics I posted? And how is that possible that I have more likes than you?
Yeah, you've posted some good pics, and quite a few of the 'likes' happen to be mine. All I'm saying: they could be even better. With PP. So you need to stop the silly trash-talk, which only makes you sound ignorant and foolish, and just get on with it.

Like I said, what have you got to lose: if you try it and you don't like the result, nobody needs to know and your purity cred stays intact (because obviously -- you don't do post, not even when you should).

And, if you manage to bring out the best, nobody needs to know that you cheated !

Win-win.

Oh, and isn't LX auto-exposure? Whatever, looks like TTL average metering done wrong to me. The good news: highlights in the owl shot are recoverable in post. I know 'cause I did it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dsmithhfx Quote
Yeah, you've posted some good pics, and quite a few of the 'likes' happen to be mine. All I'm saying: they could be even better. With PP. So you need to stop the silly trash-talk, which only makes you sound ignorant and foolish, and just get on with it.
I think the only one who does trash talk here is you, and I honestly you should get it over.

Ok, let's restart with the badly metered pictures:



Pretty bad isn't it? Well, I assume the members of the board will excuse me as I used a meterless Leica M4-P for this shot.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
I think the only one who does trash talk here is you, and I honestly you should get it over.

Ok, let's restart with the badly metered pictures:



Pretty bad isn't it? Well, I assume the members of the board will excuse me as I used a meterless Leica M4-P for this shot.
Technically looks ok to me without seeing the negative, without prejudice...
But if you want more control an old Weston II or III with invercone and filter is ok for static shots.
They can still be ok after 50 years.

If you are wet printing a dense negative is not a problem..., only if you are s&@;;&g.

You can use a cibachrome drum for mono, and understair cupboard for mono, an enlarger is free if it does not have Leitz on name plate.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
let's restart with the badly metered pictures:
Excellent PP. Bravo! I knew you could do it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
until I have some sort of standardised process
And this evening I figured out how to use profiles in Raw Therapee, and now everything is sweet. Once I had a baseline, there were shots I could tweak to perfection in PP and those were the good ones, and then there were the shots that no amount of PP could reasonably fix, and they were the ones that sucked from the moment the shutter was pressed. https://youtu.be/hJS3R1Z2HeI?t=2m43s

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Some Sydney cliches for your viewing pleasure The Rocks, Circular Quay, a house and a bridge.

M2, VM 28mm and 50mm Summilux pre-asph, TMax100. V550 scans.

I really need a heavier tripod...





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First developed 4x5 shot. Cropped a bit in the scan as the very top of the negative was just black. Really should of chose an easier exposure for my first test shot. Should be giving my Crown Graphic a better go of it this weekend when I have more time to shoot.

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First roll back from the Pilot Super. Difficult to focus and definitely has some issues: looks like the film isn't being held perfectly flat, there's a light leak, and the lens has notable vignetting and corner softness, but not bad for a camera from 1938-1940.









K.W. Pilot Super.
K.W. Anastigmat 75mm f3.5.
Fuji Neopan Acros 100.

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My last couple from the dark and dingy streets of Sydney

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QuoteOriginally posted by nickthetasmaniac Quote
My last couple from the dark and dingy streets of Sydney

M2, 50mm Summulix pre-asph and TMax100





Handheld?

I always found difficult to take these pics at nightime with not too fast film, this one for instance:



was taken with my SPF, 55mm f1.8 wide open and BW400CN, I don't think it would have been feasible with 100ASA.
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Handheld?

I always found difficult to take these pics at nightime with not too fast film, this one for instance:



was taken with my SPF, 55mm f1.8 wide open and BW400CN, I don't think it would have been feasible with 100ASA.
Yep handheld. I suppose a couple of benefits for the set-up I was using: faster lens (50mm f1.4), RF rather than SLR, so no mirror slap, proper B&W film rather than mono C41 - the TMax100 seems to tolerate a decent amount of under-exposure, whereas this is not my experience of XP2 (haven't used BW400CN though).

I didn't mean to do low-light when I loaded the 100, but I was quite impressed with how it worked out...
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