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04-13-2012, 05:34 PM   #601
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QuoteOriginally posted by _quicksilver_ Quote

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Nice shot and great atmosphere.

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With the way that the light beams from the stage lights are clearly showing up and the graininess from the high ISO my first impression was that someone had set off a fire suppression system mid performance.
Definitely does capture the atmosphere of the place.
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Rollei-Retro 80s in HC-110

Spotmatic, Super-Multicoated-Takumar 28mm f3.5, HC-110 dilution H, 15min, semi-stand. As scanned, no post

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QuoteOriginally posted by Takgyver Quote
Spotmatic, Super-Multicoated-Takumar 28mm f3.5, HC-110 dilution H, 15min, semi-stand. As scanned, no post
Nice to see another RR 80s user.

I am surprised at the long development time. What was your target EI and what temperature? I have used Edwal FG-7 (1+15) in the past at EI 160 but was not happy particularly happy with the results and was thinking of HC-110 on the next go'round.


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Takgyver! I'm about to run out of D-76 and have been eyeing different developers, thought I'd try HC-110 (I have a vague memory of using it back in the mid 70s).. and here you have some good samples.

Steve, the H dilution is half of the standard, thus the longer times.

Ok, back from B&H (site, not store ) have a gallon of D-76, a bottle of HC-110, and a liter mix of Perceptol. I'll try the Perceptol first, the name sounds so '60s SciFi




D-76 1:1, Adox CHS ART 50, Moskva-2

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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
...Steve, the H dilution is half of the standard, thus the longer times...
I know, but the times I have read for RR 80s in HC-110 are a little less than that and with twice the box speed (11' at 24C at EI 160 with normal agitation). I will have to take a look at the pic above on my regular monitor (am on the laptop right now), but it looked a little over-developed to me. OTOH, that may have been the photog's intent!

My challenge with RR 80s to this point has been to get adequate compensating effect to hold shadow detail. The film builds density quickly and while a semi-compensating developer like FG-7 is able to retain great tonality in the middle and high values, the shadows still seem to fall fairly quickly. Much depends too on the spectral mix of the light. Shadows tend to be dominated by the blue end of the spectrum and RR 80s has precious little blue sensitivity.

I would be curious about dilution G (1+119) with semi-stand for say 20' at 21C at box speed.

Here is a link that I have used as good general starting place for people considering trying RR 80s and where I got the HC-110 times...
http://www.maco-photo.de/files/images/The_Rollei_RETRO_80s_AJ.pdf
LeDuc's review is one of the best testimonials I can think of for this film. Great for landscape, great for portraits, fine grain, and can do IR with appropriate filtration!


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RR 80s was at box speed (80) with dev times from Massive at 20 degrees. It seems to work best with very gentle agitation - 2x to start, then once ever so gently every 3 minutes. Missed the pre-rinse on this roll and it didn't seem to matter. Shadow detail usually comes out pretty good. The highs get sketchy in a hurry with too much agitation. Was wondering what other developers would be easy and effective with this wonderful film.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Takgyver Quote
RR 80s was at box speed (80) with dev times from Massive at 20 degrees. It seems to work best with very gentle agitation - 2x to start, then once ever so gently every 3 minutes. Missed the pre-rinse on this roll and it didn't seem to matter. Shadow detail usually comes out pretty good. The highs get sketchy in a hurry with too much agitation. Was wondering what other developers would be easy and effective with this wonderful film.

Cheers,

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Thanks for the details. I have come to treat the numbers from Massive with a degree of skepticism, though the are often a good place to start. As I mentioned above, I have had fairly good luck with FG-7, but sometimes the results are on the harsh side. One thing is certain...like RR 100, gentle agitation is our friend!

I have a 100' roll in the 'frig and several single rolls as well and was planning on shooting some in the near future. I think I will start with a film speed series however using dilution H in HC-110. I set up a target scene with an eight step wedge, a swath of dark velvet, a white terry-cloth towel, and a few items with intermediate tones and shoot in full sun (incident meter) at base EI, +1, +2, -1, and -2 stops. I then finish the remainder of the roll at base EI. The idea is to process and examine the negatives with a loupe with an emphasis on the velvet and towel sections followed be a scan to access tonality for each exposure.

I think I will go with LeDuc's numbers as a start point:
  • 21C
  • 14' (corrected from 11' at 24C)
  • Dilution H (1+63)
  • Standard agitation, done gently
  • 160 as base IE


Sounds like some fun times coming up!


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Here a re a few I scanned. Not finished with PP such as spotting, but what I got so far....

Shot with Nikon F / Plus x (night shot Tri X, pushed) / c1970's





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Here is another one....c 1970's



Back then we had no auto focus, no auto exposure. When I shot this with a Nikon F, I had to guess the exposure. Used Tri-X. Had no time to fool around, many times we had to get the shot with one try.

This was a real lucky shot too. When I was getting ready to develop it, I dropped the hand loaded film cassette and the end popped off. Some of the film got fogged. This one was near then end and got saved.

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Thanks Steve, I'll look and see if the local shop carries it. Gentle agitation for sure! I think you and Nesster have a good point - less dev time might be what I'm looking for here. 2 more rolls of RR 80s in 35mm to go and hoping for sun this coming weekend. This film in 120 really sings in my old 6x9 folder too, just need to get the highs under control while keeping the shadows. This is a shot from last week, same camera & process, no post. Looking forward to seeing your results from the test setup.
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QuoteOriginally posted by slackercruster Quote
Here a re a few I scanned. Not finished with PP such as spotting, but what I got so far....

Shot with Nikon F / Plus x (night shot Tri X, pushed) / c1970's




Great series of shots there. Of course, Tri-x was different then. I've only used the new stuff.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Vendee Quote
Great series of shots there. Of course, Tri-x was different then. I've only used the new stuff.

I haven't shot Tri-X since mid 70's. How is the current stuff different?
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I haven't shot Tri-X since mid 70's. How is the current stuff different?
Tri-X was re-engineered in 2007. But even before that there were two versions. A Tri-X (TX - ISO400) and Tri-X Pan Professional (TXP - ISO320). They were replaced by 400TX and 320TXP formulations. But 320TXP has since been discontinued except for sheet film. And the death of 320TXP also marked the end of 220 roll film in BW.

As far as the differences in the end results its hard to say. You'd have to conduct tests I guess. But in sheet film I still have some older formulation of TXP and one day tried a few shots. It visually stained better with my staining pyro developer and seem to have an essence (about the best I can describe) that did indeed seem different. Filtering the film through scanning and image editor post processing though I don't think there is much difference worth taking about.

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