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**durr3** · 07-09-2012, 05:15 PM

Which one would you keep? Same condition. I already have a SP F and several lenses. Thanks

Bob from Aus · 07-09-2012, 06:17 PM

I love my ES although mine does not have the word honeywell on it. I think at the time it must have been an outstanding camera. The SPII wouldn't stand a chance. I can't really get rid of my SP F as it was my engagement present.

ES for me SP II doesn't get a look in.

filmamigo · 07-09-2012, 06:43 PM

The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure (quickly predicating Pentax to introduce the ES II ?)

So for long-term usability I'd keep the SPII.

pickles · 07-09-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by filmamigo

The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure (quickly predicating Pentax to introduce the ES II ?)

So for long-term usability I'd keep the SPII.

+1
Cheers, Pickles.

Bob from Aus · 07-09-2012, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by filmamigo

The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure

Don't tell my ES it has never skipped a beat. Even if it does have electronic problems you can still operate at most speeds without any electronics.

I think after 40 years you might tell if it is reliable.

Blue · 07-10-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by filmamigo

The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure (quickly predicating Pentax to introduce the ES II ?)

So for long-term usability I'd keep the SPII.

No, you are thinking of the actual Electro Spotmatic that had that spelled out on the body. They were sold as sort of one of, prototypes mostly in Japan which is why you won't find one with Honeywell on it. The ES and ES II however can be CLA and some repairs done.

This is the ES (yes, the chrome ones do exist

) and this is actually mine.

This is the Electro Spotmatic with the one of a kind boards.

In a nutshell, there are actually 3 models.

Electro Spotmatic
ES
ES II

**durr3** · 07-10-2012, 04:12 PM

Mine is just like yours. Chrome ES. Is it worth having a CLA done on it? As clean as or cleaner than yours. Thanks for the info...

filmamigo · 07-11-2012, 04:47 AM

Oh, thanks for the clarification! I have avoided buying ES models when I see then, thinking that was the "protypish" Electro Spotmatic. Might have to reconsider adding one to go with the SP F, SP II and SP 1000...

Blue · 07-11-2012, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by durr3

Mine is just like yours. Chrome ES. Is it worth having a CLA done on it? As clean as or cleaner than yours. Thanks for the info...

The chrome ES is more rare than the chrome ES II. Black was standard for those 2 models and chrome was special order. That was the opposite of other m42 bodies. Even Gerjan van Oosten wasn't aware of the chrome ES when he wrote The Asahi Pentax Screwmount Guide.

Nesster · 07-11-2012, 06:14 AM

so back to the original question: depends on your priorities. Max financial return - the chrome ES is about as collectible as Pentax gets and should bring a good price. However, should you ever grow nostalgic for it and want a replacement, you'll have to hunt a long while and pay good money. And it may not be in as good shape as yours is.

The SP II won't bring you a lot of money, but then it is easily replaced when you grow nostalgic

I would keep the ES and send it to Eric, and enjoy it for a long long time. Unless I was hard up for cash for film, I don't think the hassle of selling the SP II is worth the money, so I'd keep it also

(spoken like a true camera accumulator...)

**durr3** · 07-11-2012, 03:21 PM

I am glad you said that....I have an almost mint SPF with a SMC 50/1.4 and six M42 lenses. I guess one more SP won't hurt. Now how do I get in touch with Eric? Does he CLA? thanks

magkelly · 07-11-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by pickles

+1
Cheers, Pickles.

+2 SPII's work practically forever....

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07-09-2012, 06:17 PM	#2
Bob from Aus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,094	I love my ES although mine does not have the word honeywell on it. I think at the time it must have been an outstanding camera. The SPII wouldn't stand a chance. I can't really get rid of my SP F as it was my engagement present. ES for me SP II doesn't get a look in.

07-09-2012, 06:43 PM	#3
filmamigo Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 797	The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure (quickly predicating Pentax to introduce the ES II ?) So for long-term usability I'd keep the SPII.

07-09-2012, 09:12 PM	#4
pickles Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: melbourne Posts: 937	Originally posted by filmamigo The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure (quickly predicating Pentax to introduce the ES II ?) So for long-term usability I'd keep the SPII. +1 Cheers, Pickles.

07-09-2012, 09:23 PM	#5
Bob from Aus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,094	Originally posted by filmamigo The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure Don't tell my ES it has never skipped a beat. Even if it does have electronic problems you can still operate at most speeds without any electronics. I think after 40 years you might tell if it is reliable.

07-10-2012, 02:24 PM	#6
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by filmamigo The ES is awesome, but isn't that model notorious for electrical failure (quickly predicating Pentax to introduce the ES II ?) So for long-term usability I'd keep the SPII. No, you are thinking of the actual Electro Spotmatic that had that spelled out on the body. They were sold as sort of one of, prototypes mostly in Japan which is why you won't find one with Honeywell on it. The ES and ES II however can be CLA and some repairs done. This is the ES (yes, the chrome ones do exist ) and this is actually mine. This is the Electro Spotmatic with the one of a kind boards. In a nutshell, there are actually 3 models. Electro Spotmatic ES ES II

07-10-2012, 04:12 PM	#7
durr3 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mississippi Photos: Albums Posts: 148 Original Poster	Mine is just like yours. Chrome ES. Is it worth having a CLA done on it? As clean as or cleaner than yours. Thanks for the info...

07-11-2012, 04:47 AM	#8
filmamigo Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 797	Oh, thanks for the clarification! I have avoided buying ES models when I see then, thinking that was the "protypish" Electro Spotmatic. Might have to reconsider adding one to go with the SP F, SP II and SP 1000...

07-11-2012, 06:01 AM	#9
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by durr3 Mine is just like yours. Chrome ES. Is it worth having a CLA done on it? As clean as or cleaner than yours. Thanks for the info... The chrome ES is more rare than the chrome ES II. Black was standard for those 2 models and chrome was special order. That was the opposite of other m42 bodies. Even Gerjan van Oosten wasn't aware of the chrome ES when he wrote *The Asahi Pentax Screwmount Guide.*

07-11-2012, 06:14 AM	#10
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	so back to the original question: depends on your priorities. Max financial return - the chrome ES is about as collectible as Pentax gets and should bring a good price. However, should you ever grow nostalgic for it and want a replacement, you'll have to hunt a long while and pay good money. And it may not be in as good shape as yours is. The SP II won't bring you a lot of money, but then it is easily replaced when you grow nostalgic I would keep the ES and send it to Eric, and enjoy it for a long long time. Unless I was hard up for cash for film, I don't think the hassle of selling the SP II is worth the money, so I'd keep it also (spoken like a true camera accumulator...)

07-11-2012, 03:21 PM	#11
durr3 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mississippi Photos: Albums Posts: 148 Original Poster	I am glad you said that....I have an almost mint SPF with a SMC 50/1.4 and six M42 lenses. I guess one more SP won't hurt. Now how do I get in touch with Eric? Does he CLA? thanks

07-11-2012, 05:39 PM	#12
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	Originally posted by pickles +1 Cheers, Pickles. +2 SPII's work practically forever....

Honeywell ES or Honeywell SP II ?

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