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10-12-2014, 10:59 AM   #2101
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
It's also a new camera day because I received the first mini-SLR that went in production, the Krystall, a KMZ camera, basically a Zorki 6 without rangefinder and with a pentaprism...what Leica should have done but never did.



We are in the Pentax MX range, the Krystall is taller though, and much heavier:



It's a dirty little camera very crude, no instant mirror, no screen etc...here with its rangefinder sibling:
Love the hammer finish on the Krystal. Those early Soviet SLRs are very interesting cameras.


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QuoteOriginally posted by IHS Quote
I don't care for the finish either, but those ribs?? Likey. That little camera looks like it weighs five pounds.
I don't have a scale but the Kristall with the pancake I-50 (one of the smaller lenses ever) weights more than my early K1000 with 55mm f2.0, even it it's much smaller.

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Love the hammer finish on the Krystal. Those early Soviet SLRs are very interesting cameras.
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Yesh me too, unfortunately the most fo the Kristalls on ebay have the finish damaged, it's difficult to get one in good conditions...and a friend 'o mine on the rangefinderforum has a Zenit S, that's even tinier and the mirror is controlled by...a string.

I mean, seriously..a single string on the left side of the mirror.
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I did this job for another member and already posted in my silvering thread, but I thought it turned out so nicely I'd put it here, too.
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I did this job for another member and already posted in my silvering thread, but I thought it turned out so nicely I'd put it here, too.
DCshooter - that is nice - very nice. If my request of your expertise matches this then I will be ecstatic keep up the good work

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member and already posted in my silvering thread, but I thought it turned out so nicely I'd put it here, too.
What a sublime work ! Congratulation on this one !

(i thought the A85* was bigger in size. A small Pentax lens after all)
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I did this job for another member and already posted in my silvering thread, but I thought it turned out so nicely I'd put it here, too.
Nice lens!!

This is what the crop factor people don't get over in the digital threads. It's not about one eye in focus with FF. It's about shooing lenses like this 85 as an 85 and not around a 135mm lens - a focal length I rarely shoot in a prime.
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^^^Nice pancakes!

And D.C...WOW!!! That looks amazing...I'll have to see if I can find the "silvering thread" Great stuff.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
I mean, seriously..a single string on the left side of the mirror.
There are a number of cameras with string-driven parts. I am not sure, but I believe the shutter display in the MX viewfinder shares the distinction.


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This is the second Nikon I own, it is the first SLR Nikon produced. It is in much better condition than my F2 copy. This example cost me $350 without a lens. The second 'F' (F2) was an improvement on this, without the compromises (and advantages) of the F3 to F6 examples. Is it any wonder that the F2 is the most desired film Nikon?
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Lovely, the Nikon F was the camera I lusted for back in the '60s. However, it was way to much for me to afford back then, I had to settle for a Honeywell SpotMatic with the 50mm f1.4. I still have it along with a supply of SpotMatic accessories. A great camera, easy to use and the Mercury battery lasted forever. Best of all, the manual was only 36 pages as opposed to my K-5 with 375 pages! And, Ektachrome 64 was my film of choice.

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Nice one Arnold, doesn't look like it got much use before!

What improvements in the F2 did you find the most beneficial?
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Nice one Arnold, doesn't look like it got much use before!

What improvements in the F2 did you find the most beneficial?
Let me quote Wikipedia:
"The F2 replaced the Nikon F, adding many new features (a faster 1/2000 second maximum shutter speed, a swing open back for easier film loading, a wider assortment of detachable finders and metering heads, a 250 exposure film back, a larger reflex mirror to ensure no vignetting, and a shutter release nearer the front of the camera for better ergonomics). It also offered a detachable motor drive, something the F only had as a custom modification. It was the last all-mechanical professional-level Nikon SLR."

Something else was the mirror lockup improvement. The F was the first camera to try this, but you had to waste a shot to get the mirror into the up position. With the F2, this was no longer the case. One can make allowances here, as the F came out in 1959 (production ran to 1973)
The F3 depended on batteries for the shutter, and the F4,5 and 6 started to resemble today's DSLRs in looks and battery dependence. Film lever advance was gone by F4. I think the later Fs looked awful with their motor drives attached. To me, the F2 is the ultimate Nikon SLR. The Pentax equivalent is the KX or MX, although they lacked many features such as changeable view finders and a huge assortment of attachments.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Jake21209 Quote
Lovely, the Nikon F was the camera I lusted for back in the '60s. However, it was way to much for me to afford back then, I had to settle for a Honeywell SpotMatic with the 50mm f1.4. I still have it along with a supply of SpotMatic accessories. A great camera, easy to use and the Mercury battery lasted forever. Best of all, the manual was only 36 pages as opposed to my K-5 with 375 pages! And, Ektachrome 64 was my film of choice.

Jay
It wasn't until 1976 that I could afford an SLR. The Pentax MX had just come out, and since it seemed to do everything I wanted, I did not even investigate the super expensive Nikons. These days they only interest me for their quality of construction and design, not their usefulness. The KX and MX suit me better in that regard as they are less bulky.
Still, I now have some Kodak 400 in the F, which has been serviced, including having the meter adjusted for 1.5 volts. I think the $350 I paid for it was a very fair price given it's near new condition.
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QuoteOriginally posted by arnold Quote
Let me quote Wikipedia:
"The F2 replaced the Nikon F, adding many new features (a faster 1/2000 second maximum shutter speed, a swing open back for easier film loading, a wider assortment of detachable finders and metering heads, a 250 exposure film back, a larger reflex mirror to ensure no vignetting, and a shutter release nearer the front of the camera for better ergonomics). It also offered a detachable motor drive, something the F only had as a custom modification. It was the last all-mechanical professional-level Nikon SLR."

Something else was the mirror lockup improvement. The F was the first camera to try this, but you had to waste a shot to get the mirror into the up position. With the F2, this was no longer the case. One can make allowances here, as the F came out in 1959 (production ran to 1973)
The F3 depended on batteries for the shutter, and the F4,5 and 6 started to resemble today's DSLRs in looks and battery dependence. Film lever advance was gone by F4. I think the later Fs looked awful with their motor drives attached. To me, the F2 is the ultimate Nikon SLR. The Pentax equivalent is the KX or MX, although they lacked many features such as changeable view finders and a huge assortment of attachments.
Interesting...not the LX, the K2 or K2DMD? For me it's hard to imagine that the MX is the equivalent of my F2, to me it's more like a Canon F-1 or the K2DMD in the Pentax field, and I don't care much about the "electronic shutter", but the F-1N and the K2 can work without batteries for most of the shutter speeds available.
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Interesting...not the LX, the K2 or K2DMD? For me it's hard to imagine that the MX is the equivalent of my F2, to me it's more like a Canon F-1 or the K2DMD in the Pentax field, and I don't care much about the "electronic shutter", but the F-1N and the K2 can work without batteries for most of the shutter speeds available.
I understand your point, but I was not equating the F2 with the MX, only mentioning that it was Pentax's version of a pure mechanical camera. The F2 was far more versatile. Since the Nikon F2 had no automation, I did not think it appropriate for a direct comparison with automated cameras. (I also have the LX and K2.) There are only three basic settings to make on a SLR. 1) Focus, 2) Aperture, 3) Speed. I find this easy enough, so place little value on the automation of these settings. I love the simplicity of design of pure mechanics and consider electronics an unnecessary complication for possible failure.
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