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10-14-2014, 04:01 PM - 4 Likes   #2116
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I don't think I ever shared this - here's my beauty , very first camera that I got when I was a boy -- funny thing is that we share the same manufacturing date :P . It never failed me and delivered some of the best shots I ever took.

Kiev 4 + Jupiter 2 , which is copy of Zeiss Sonnar. I am fortunate to have all functions of this camera working perfectly and focusing is linked flawlessly to the view and range- finder. A joy to handle , use, ... and smell





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Although I only have a few RFs and have very limited experience with them, I can see this one looks like a good performer!

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
Interesting...not the LX, the K2 or K2DMD? For me it's hard to imagine that the MX is the equivalent of my F2, to me it's more like a Canon F-1 or the K2DMD in the Pentax field, and I don't care much about the "electronic shutter", but the F-1N and the K2 can work without batteries for most of the shutter speeds available.
You probably meant the LX instead of the K2 which only has B & 1/125 shutter speeds available when batteries die. Both the LX and F-1N have their sync to upper shutter speeds & B available when batteries die.

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QuoteOriginally posted by manntax Quote
I don't think I ever shared this - here's my beauty , very first camera that I got when I was a boy -- funny thing is that we share the same manufacturing date :P . It never failed me and delivered some of the best shots I ever took.

Kiev 4 + Jupiter 2 , which is copy of Zeiss Sonnar. I am fortunate to have all functions of this camera working perfectly and focusing is linked flawlessly to the view and range- finder. A joy to handle , use, ... and smell


Good to see an old camera kept so long and in such good condition.

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QuoteOriginally posted by LesDMess Quote
You probably meant the LX instead of the K2 which only has B & 1/125 shutter speeds available when batteries die. Both the LX and F-1N have their sync to upper shutter speeds & B available when batteries die.
This is one reason I just cannot list these as my most desirable cameras. For me, among the Pentax family, the MX and KX are the ones I trust as most dependable. The first two F Nikons are very dependable as well. Later versions with fading electronic readouts or other complexity, surplus to anything I would need, just don't have the same appeal to me. Just never was able to love a circuit board as much as clockwork.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LesDMess Quote
Although I only have a few RFs and have very limited experience with them, I can see this one looks like a good performer!
I assure you it is - here is one shot taken recently wide open on Delta 100 https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/26-mini-challenges-games-photo-stories/89...ml#post2969716

All functions (apart from self timer ) are working , even light meter is accurate !


QuoteOriginally posted by arnold Quote
Good to see an old camera kept so long and in such good condition.
Thanks ! yeah, it's 37 years old now and I have it almost 25 years and counting

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QuoteOriginally posted by manntax Quote
I don't think I ever shared this - here's my beauty , very first camera that I got when I was a boy -- funny thing is that we share the same manufacturing date :P . It never failed me and delivered some of the best shots I ever took.

Kiev 4 + Jupiter 2 , which is copy of Zeiss Sonnar. I am fortunate to have all functions of this camera working perfectly and focusing is linked flawlessly to the view and range- finder. A joy to handle , use, ... and smell


Beautiful, in my Soviet rangefinder collection I miss a Kiev (while I've several Kiev SLRs, the 17 is my favourite being totally mechanical and without lightmeter)...I'd like to find an early Kiev 2 but now they charge as much as for a Jena Contax II....

BTW, is the selenium lightmeter working? My Contax IIIa is in perfect conditions BESIDES the lightmeter.

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Thanks ! yeah, it's 37 years old now and I have it almost 25 years and counting
So it's not that old after all! The Kiev 4 remained in production for a very long time.

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This is one reason I just cannot list these as my most desirable cameras. For me, among the Pentax family, the MX and KX are the ones I trust as most dependable. The first two F Nikons are very dependable as well. Later versions with fading electronic readouts or other complexity, surplus to anything I would need, just don't have the same appeal to me. Just never was able to love a circuit board as much as clockwork.
Yes I see your point, I also prefer the purely mechanical attitude, even without lightmeter, but on the other side if I have to accept the use of a TTL camera I'm not that bothered by having the slower shutter speeds controlled electronically like on the K2 and the F-1N.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
So it's not that old after all! The Kiev 4 remained in production for a very long time.
Yes, it remained probably untill 1980 ? - mine is from 77, but it is silver knob version, better built and all chrome parts are metal. It feels absolutely fantastic with shutter very quiet and reliable and winding smooth. Some report these newer kievs as being 'rough' compared to contax, but I was fortunate to get a good copy.

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BTW, is the selenium lightmeter working? My Contax IIIa is in perfect conditions BESIDES the lightmeter.
Yeah - the meeter is fully working , accurate and very responsive ( another surprise, as many complaints about them as being innacurate and failing massively) - I am often using it (when I don't have my huge chrome lens hood on :P - as that would interfere with meter. I need to find a lens hood smaller in diameter for that ).
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QuoteOriginally posted by manntax Quote
Yes, it remained probably untill 1980 ? - mine is from 77, but it is silver knob version, better built and all chrome parts are metal. It feels absolutely fantastic with shutter very quiet and reliable and winding smooth. Some report these newer kievs as being 'rough' compared to contax, but I was fortunate to get a good copy.


Yeah - the meeter is fully working , accurate and very responsive ( another surprise, as many complaints about them as being innacurate and failing massively) - I am often using it (when I don't have my huge chrome lens hood on :P - as that would interfere with meter. I need to find a lens hood smaller in diameter for that ).
At the moment my plan to get an early Kiev 2 has been shelved because I finally got on ebay this rare bird: a BLUE Zarya. They're pretty rare to find, unfortunately this one comes with a recent I-61 and non original case (from a Fed2) but nevertheless it's very BLUE and I wanted it and I got it for 30 quid.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
At the moment my plan to get an early Kiev 2 has been shelved because I finally got on ebay this rare bird: a BLUE Zarya. They're pretty rare to find, unfortunately this one comes with a recent I-61 and non original case (from a Fed2) but nevertheless it's very BLUE and I wanted it and I got it for 30 quid.
Fantastic looking camera indeed ! I hope its working :P This got me inspired to load my long-forgotten Zorki-1 (typ D from 1955 ) - I got it from my step father years ago and if I recall I never put a roll through it !! But it was given to me as fully working. Seems to be , and I had it serviced with light seals replaced , focusing helicoid lubricated and lens CLA-ed ... I was going to put some film in it but ... well too many cameras too little time
I am excited seeing that mine is having rare Industar 22 lens form 1951 !! with red P and possibility of having glass from original new-old stock of leitz glass ! Need to take a photo of this one too....



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QuoteOriginally posted by manntax Quote
Fantastic looking camera indeed ! I hope its working :P This got me inspired to load my long-forgotten Zorki-1 (typ D from 1955 ) - I got it from my step father years ago and if I recall I never put a roll through it !! But it was given to me as fully working. Seems to be , and I had it serviced with light seals replaced , focusing helicoid lubricated and lens CLA-ed ... I was going to put some film in it but ... well too many cameras too little time
I am excited seeing that mine is having rare Industar 22 lens form 1951 !! with red P and possibility of having glass from original new-old stock of leitz glass ! Need to take a photo of this one too....
I'm afraid that's not possible because the I-22 is a Tessar clone, not an Elmar or a Leitz lens whatsoever. While it is true that old soviet lenses used german glass that was Zeiss, not Leitz.

BTW: Jupiter-> Zeus-> Zeiss : all Jupiters are Zeiss Sonnar clones (besides the Jupiter 12 that is a coated pre-war Biogon) while Industar-> Tessar.

Orion and Russar are indigenous design, not copies from german lenses.
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This mechanical beast came up, and was in such nice condition I had to have it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
I'm afraid that's not possible because the I-22 is a Tessar clone, not an Elmar or a Leitz lens whatsoever. While it is true that old soviet lenses used german glass that was Zeiss, not Leitz. BTW: Jupiter-> Zeus-> Zeiss : all Jupiters are Zeiss Sonnar clones (besides the Jupiter 12 that is a coated pre-war Biogon) while Industar-> Tessar.
Of course you are right - I think this is what I meant. I read somewhere online that lenses this old ( 1951 ! ) - at least some - could use still the original stock that was stolen/ acquired by the soviets after 1945. .. well I will know soon enough what's sitting under that 'hood' :P

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This mechanical beast came up, and was in such nice condition I had to have it.
amazing condition indeed - curious if all is sound..
Sadly I had to learn to pass on more cameras, even though sometime I really see something amazing for pennies.
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QuoteOriginally posted by manntax Quote
Of course you are right - I think this is what I meant. I read somewhere online that lenses this old ( 1951 ! ) - at least some - could use still the original stock that was stolen/ acquired by the soviets after 1945. .. well I will know soon enough what's sitting under that 'hood' :P

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amazing condition indeed - curious if all is sound..
Sadly I had to learn to pass on more cameras, even though sometime I really see something amazing for pennies.
It wasn't stolen or acquired, they were war reparations, like what the Americans did with Paperclip: they arrived at Carl Zeiss Jena and they put their hands on all the German technology (mostly military, like lens coating) the Nazi were using for their war machine. What we see as camera afiocionados is the byproduct of the German/Soviet optical industry used for military purpose, in the SSSR the companies who distinguished themselves in the war efforts were awarded the acquired German technology (KMZ, FED and GOMZ), but for the most military linked stuff found at Carl Zeiss were directly sent to the Kiev Arsenal (under direct control of the Soviet Army)....among all the military stuff there also was the "civilian byproduct", the Contax camera!

Since you're a fan of Kievs I copy here two interesting articles regarding this transition:

Contax/Volga/Kiev

Russian Zeiss Contax Copy Kiev

And here some difference between Kiev 2,3,4,4a and how the quality gradually decreased through the years.

Kiev A Brief History 1

Regarding the Nikkormat, it's beautiful and as I previously pointed out the hard chrome finish Nikon used is marvelous because also my 1978 FM and F2AS look almost brand new. Here there are two self portraits of my FM:



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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
It wasn't stolen or acquired, they were war reparations, like what the Americans did with Paperclip: they arrived at Carl Zeiss Jena and they put their hands on all the German technology (mostly military, like lens coating) the Nazi were using for their war machine. What we see as camera afiocionados is the byproduct of the German/Soviet optical industry used for military purpose, in the SSSR the companies who distinguished themselves in the war efforts were awarded the acquired German technology (KMZ, FED and GOMZ), but for the most military linked stuff found at Carl Zeiss were directly sent to the Kiev Arsenal (under direct control of the Soviet Army)....among all the military stuff there also was the "civilian byproduct", the Contax camera!
thanks for clarification - it's hard for non-historically oriented being like myself to be that precise
QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
Since you're a fan of Kievs I copy here two interesting articles regarding this transition: Contax/Volga/Kiev Russian Zeiss Contax Copy Kiev And here some difference between Kiev 2,3,4,4a and how the quality gradually decreased through the years. Kiev A Brief History 1
Very interesting links, thanks for sharing !
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Regarding the Nikkormat, it's beautiful and as I previously pointed out the hard chrome finish Nikon used is marvelous because also my 1978 FM and F2AS look almost brand new. Here there are two self portraits of my FM:
Your lovely FM is a later camera, a little smaller than the Nikkormat FT series. I would have preferred the FT3 as it has auto indexing, but the FT2 uses a 1.5volt cell as mentioned from this quote:
"The Nikkormat FT2, manufactured from 1975 to 1977, added a permanently affixed hot shoe to the top of the pentaprism cover, combined the two PC terminals into one and switched the light meter battery to a non-toxic silver cell, one 1.5 V S76 or SR44. ASA adjustment also featured a lock and an easier slider than previous models. The advance lever was more contoured with an added plastic grip. The FT2's viewfinder also switched to Nippon Kogaku's new standard Type K focusing screen with 3 mm split image rangefinder and 1 mm microprism collar focusing aids plus 12 mm etched circle indicating the area of the meter centerweighting. A final small touch was the addition of "+" and "-" symbols on the display of the top meter read-out. The numerous little improvements on the FT2 directly reflected customer suggestions for the FTn."
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amazing condition indeed - curious if all is sound..
Sadly I had to learn to pass on more cameras, even though sometime I really see something amazing for pennies.
This FT2 has been serviced, calibrated and film tested.
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QuoteOriginally posted by manntax Quote
Sadly I had to learn to pass on more cameras, even though sometime I really see something amazing for pennies.
At one time or another I would try to get at least 2 of each that I liked when I realized this will get out of hand and that these classics are robust enough to last a long time! But sometimes, I can justify in my head that a chrome and black version of the same camera really isn't the same.



Anyone else think this way . . .

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Your lovely FM is a later camera, a little smaller than the Nikkormat FT series. I would have preferred the FT3 as it has auto indexing
Too bad you're in the other side of the world otherwise I could trade you my chrome FT3 for your FT2! I already had the black FT3 when I spotted the chrome on a local listing. Was apparently only used as a prop.

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