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10-19-2014, 09:37 AM   #2146
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QuoteOriginally posted by nparsons13 Quote
I agree about Soviet lenses and the Leicistas' response. If they pay thousands for a Leitz lens and can't see improved performance over that of a Jupiter, they have to rationalize the expense somehow.

I have one Leica lens, the collapsible Summar 50mm f/2, which came attached to my 1936 IIIa--it may be the original lens. I just had the camera and lens CLA'd, and the Summar is a lot clearer now, but it's not coated, so I don't expect super imaging from it even after cleaning and polishing. If I were to buy another $250-$300 lens, it wouldn't be a Summar.

For most photography with the camera I use an Industar 61 (50/2.8) and a Jupiter 12 (35/2). If I get another lens to use on the Leica, it will probably be a Jupiter 8.
You're gonna love this thread then:

Old sonnar (e.g. Jupiter 8) vs modern Sonnar - Rangefinderforum.com

It started with a guys asking what's the difference between a Jupiter 8 and a modern Sonnar, they started to invent stuff like Soviet "reverse engineering" Zeiss lenses, production of Contax moved from Dresden to Kiev (actually Dresden was destroyed by Americ...ehm the Wrath of Stalin and all the documents were moved to CSJ where the production was restarted under Soviet control), CZJ engineers deported in Ukraine as "slave labourers" etc...however in the thread there's a picture I've taken today with a Industar 61 and my IIIb, the old little camera today performed well, I'll post some pics in the B&W thread.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
What Soviet stuff do you use? I'm trying to explain on the rangefinder form that Soviet lenses aren't just trash, but the Laicamen don't understand and they got offended when I said I've a Jupiter 12 that performs better than my Summaron on my M3.
I just dabble with Soviet rangefinders and also used to be active on the rangefinder forum a few years back. There are some legitimate points regarding the FSU lenses in LTM, but mostly the guys on the Leica sections of the site are not interested in clones or non-Leica lenses. This is what I own:

Bodies
  • Kiev 4A, ca. 1961
  • FED 2, ca 1963-1966
  • Zorki 4K, ca 1976
Lenses
  • KMZ Jupiter-8 50/2, LTM (2, ca 1984 and ca 1976)
  • LZOS Jupiter-12 35/2.8, LTM (ca 1982)
  • FED Industar-61 52/2.5, LTM (ca 1966)
  • Arsenal Jupiter-8M 50/2, Contax/Kiev (ca 1967)
  • Arsenal Helios-103 53/1.8, Contax/Kiev (ca 1983)
  • LZOS Jupiter-12 35/2.8, Contax/Kiev (ca 1980)
  • LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2, Contax/Kiev (ca 1962)
Of the above, only the Industar is a truly poor lens.


Steve

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
It started with a guys asking what's the difference between a Jupiter 8 and a modern Sonnar, they started to invest stuff like Soviet "reverse engineering" Zeiss lenses...
"Reverse engineering"? Ha! Ha! There was no need. They had the machinery in their possession! I respect Dante Stella, but I think perhaps he skipped breakfast that day. The early Contax/Kiev mount lenses were faithful reproductions of their German counterparts though with variation related to availability of equivalent glass. With any luck Jussi (Nesster) will weigh in. He owns both Jupiter-8 and CZJ Sonnar in Contax/Kiev mount ( mid-1950s vintage) and has done a bit of comparison shooting using both lenses on both Kiev and Contax cameras.

I like David Hughes' first comment on the thread you linked and concur with most of the other practical comments as well. The most important thing to do is to go out and shoot and learn the strengths and weaknesses of a particular lens in the field.


Steve

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10-22-2014, 04:04 PM   #2148
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I've got this huge, throbbing... cable release. Is it arousing enough for this thread?

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Oh my...that is a big one!!! Put that away before it hurts someone.

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Oh my...that is a big one!!! Put that away before it hurts someone.
Come on man, don't be like that! I need to get some release* first...


... there we go.

I'll put it away now, I promise.

(Now I'm craving a smoke for some reason...)



*Not what you think, you sick pervert!

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hahaha!!! Nice vid!
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I've had a bit of luck of late with Pentax finds. First is this I found in Geelong.



Always check under the lens cap!! It came in a binoculars case, camera works a treat and lens is MINT. Never thought I'd have such a fast lens.

Then I came into a camera bag with a few items, bought because of the 24mm lens it had in it. Also contained an ME with 50 1.7, and a few peculiar rarities!



A mirror adapter. Fits on to 58mm lenses and has a fake front with a mirror and porthole out the side. For detectives, or pervs, or shy people I guess. Also this old beasty



Still works a charm! Though these old flashes scare the crap out of me. I've worked on tube guitar amps with much higher voltage, but during these pictures an af200t started shorting out its capacitor. And look at how safe the ac adapter is! The set also included a k-m42 adapter and I'm not sure what the hotshoe thing is for, anyone know?

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First is this I found in Geelong.
Congrats!


I've got one more to squirt out:



Nothing more erotic than accurately measuring things, right?


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QuoteOriginally posted by Boris_Akunin Quote
Come on man, don't be like that! I need to get some release* first...


... there we go.

I'll put it away now, I promise.

(Now I'm craving a smoke for some reason...)



*Not what you think, you sick pervert!
Dual release for auto bellows?


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QuoteOriginally posted by bibz Quote
I've had a bit of luck of late with Pentax finds. First is this I found in Geelong.



Always check under the lens cap!! It came in a binoculars case, camera works a treat and lens is MINT. Never thought I'd have such a fast lens.

Then I came into a camera bag with a few items, bought because of the 24mm lens it had in it. Also contained an ME with 50 1.7, and a few peculiar rarities!



A mirror adapter. Fits on to 58mm lenses and has a fake front with a mirror and porthole out the side. For detectives, or pervs, or shy people I guess. Also this old beasty



Still works a charm! Though these old flashes scare the crap out of me. I've worked on tube guitar amps with much higher voltage, but during these pictures an af200t started shorting out its capacitor. And look at how safe the ac adapter is! The set also included a k-m42 adapter and I'm not sure what the hotshoe thing is for, anyone know?
Wow, that's quite a haul, very well done on the 50/1.2, it must be a beauty. I'd love to shoot one of them wide open on film.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bibz Quote
Always check under the lens cap!! It came in a binoculars case, camera works a treat and lens is MINT. Never thought I'd have such a fast lens.
Wow, I am horrendously jealous, envious and slavering at your acquisition of the MX and a 1.2!! Mind boggling! Nice find!
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Wow, I am horrendously jealous, envious and slavering at your acquisition of the MX and a 1.2!! Mind boggling! Nice find!
Ditto (especially for the 1.2) ... Great catch !!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by bibz Quote
I've had a bit of luck of late with Pentax finds. First is this I found in Geelong.
Always check under the lens cap!! It came in a binoculars case, camera works a treat and lens is MINT. Never thought I'd have such a fast lens.


A bit of an understatement!


The MX huge viewfinder is a great match to that fast lens shallow DOF.
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I've had a bit of luck of late with Pentax finds. First is this I found in Geelong.
What a bargain lucky find. I finally bit the bullet and went for this. It rounds out my Limiteds: DA 15, DA 35/2.8 Ltd, DA 70/2.4

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It appears I've my first medium format camera:



Hopefully I'm gonna like it.
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