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11-06-2014, 01:57 PM   #2251
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QuoteOriginally posted by edmundrt Quote
Here's one - apologies for the terrible light in my tiny student room. As you can see, the only real differences are the film speed selection dial and the positioning of the X on the shutter speed dial - on the CE it's between 60 and 125 but not numbered.

As for the CE-4 and CE-5, they were actually K-mount. I don't know why Chinon referred to it as 'Chinon Bayonet Mount' in the literature, since they'd been so keen to advertise the M42 cameras' universal capability, and this did rather the opposite.
Here's my well-loved CE-5 with its naked mount and the SMC-M 50/1.7 mounted - the reason I like this camera so much is that it packs in all the features of the ME Super but with a grip (which contains a holder for two spare batteries), DoF preview, 3200ISO capability and a rotary shutter speed selector with Auto at the end, like the earlier CEs, which I find much quicker to use than the buttons. Don't get me wrong, I love the ME Super, but the CE-5 is just a very complete camera.
Thanks for the pictures.
Between 60 and 125 sounds like 1/90? Butkus doesn't have the manual and I haven't found one to confirm.
Thanks for the confirmation about the Chinon mount as that seems odd not to list it as Pentax K-mount!
The manual shows that the CE-4 is similar in size as the ME Super. I have the Ricoh XR7 and I like that it too has the more traditional shutter speed control instead of the buttons. However, it is completely battery dependent having no mechanical speeds available as the ME Super.



You know, we should probably start a database for other K-mount bodies . . .

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Hey my Kiev 4a finally came in the mail today! It's working well so far, Im about halfway through a my first roll. I would like to color in the rest of the black on the name plate if anyone has a suggestion what to use for this.
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I would like to color in the rest of the black on the name plate if anyone has a suggestion what to use for this.
I use something called a Lacquer-Stik for filling in the lettering. They come in several colors and work very well. Simply rub in and wipe off the excess.

Lacquer-Stik Paintstick, Black




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I use something called a Lacquer-Stik for filling in the lettering. They come in several colors and work very well. Simply rub in and wipe off the excess.

Lacquer-Stik Paintstick, Black

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Who isn't ?!
Ok I'll check out the shop, but I noticed that in Euroland you can get an M f1.4 for 70 euros if you're lucky. However that's the camera, I already ordered a B grip, a square hood and an M eyecup (I hope it will fit) so I'll have a pretty decent setup:



BTW, I noticed that the long shutter speeds in auto mode are longer than the "official" value, I mean if I shoot in auto and the led appears at 4 sec, in reality the exposure is about 8 sec, is that normal or there is a problem with the auto exposure?
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BTW, I noticed that the long shutter speeds in auto mode are longer than the "official" value, I mean if I shoot in auto and the led appears at 4 sec, in reality the exposure is about 8 sec, is that normal or there is a problem with the auto exposure?
The reflectance of actual film - when it is loaded, will be different then the pressure plate that is currently seen by the metering cel.

Nice that you have the manual and the brochure too!


BTW, I don't know if you have used another Pentax body that uses the needles in the take up spool such as the M series. When you insert the film leader in between the needles of the take up spool, the manual recommends at least the length of one perforation but I recommend at least 2 perforations.

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The reflectance of actual film - when it is loaded, will be different then the pressure plate that is currently seen by the metering cel.

Nice that you have the manual and the brochure too!


BTW, I don't know if you have used another Pentax body that uses the needles in the take up spool such as the M series. When you insert the film leader in between the needles of the take up spool, the manual recommends at least the length of one perforation but I recommend at least 2 perforations.
Thanks Les, I heard about it but I needed a confirmation, unfortunately the camera suffers of the chronic problem of all the LXs, the infamous sticky mirror, and with a 28 mm f2.8 lens there's a slight misalignment at infinity, but for what I understood they are minor problems that can be resolved also in house without CLA.
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Thanks Les, I heard about it but I needed a confirmation, unfortunately the camera suffers of the chronic problem of all the LXs, the infamous sticky mirror, and with a 28 mm f2.8 lens there's a slight misalignment at infinity, but for what I understood they are minor problems that can be resolved also in house without CLA.
That is unfortunate as I have 2 LXs bought used - previous condition unknown, and neither exhibit the sticky mirror so I must be lucky. Knock on wood!
I wonder if the misalignment can be addressed by the diopter? Can't say I have encountered that with any of my bodies either. Continuing to knock on wood . . .

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That is unfortunate as I have 2 LXs bought used - previous condition unknown, and neither exhibit the sticky mirror so I must be lucky. Knock on wood!
I wonder if the misalignment can be addressed by the diopter? Can't say I have encountered that with any of my bodies either. Continuing to knock on wood . . .
I am on my second LX that I got "untested" ... both at prices which were hard to say "non" to. So lucky as well that both were AOK ... J

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I am on my second LX that I got "untested" ... both at prices which were hard to say "non" to. So lucky as well that both were AOK ... J
I think that I have already post this here ... (The Green button is a personal joke with a French photo friend)
Nice, it's the very rare Green buttoned version . . .
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That is unfortunate as I have 2 LXs bought used - previous condition unknown, and neither exhibit the sticky mirror so I must be lucky. Knock on wood!
I wonder if the misalignment can be addressed by the diopter? Can't say I have encountered that with any of my bodies either. Continuing to knock on wood . . .
I just returned from the lab and unfortunately five shots are out of focus, it's a pity because some of them were indeed cool shots, in two cases I might have failed to focus in time (squirrels are hard to shoot especially from very close distance) but in the other case I think the problem is the camera. The strange thing is that at max aperture and minimum distance the shots are sharp, it appears that the problem is mostly at intermediate distances....and how can the dioptre adjustment be involved? That's new to me, I'm a little shortsighted at the right eye and I appreciated the adjustment at the bottom of the prism, I set it up at -1.5 and I can see clearly with both eyes.
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I just returned from the lab and unfortunately five shots are out of focus, it's a pity because some of them were indeed cool shots, in two cases I might have failed to focus in time (squirrels are hard to shoot especially from very close distance) but in the other case I think the problem is the camera. The strange thing is that at max aperture and minimum distance the shots are sharp, it appears that the problem is mostly at intermediate distances....and how can the dioptre adjustment be involved? That's new to me, I'm a little shortsighted at the right eye and I appreciated the adjustment at the bottom of the prism, I set it up at -1.5 and I can see clearly with both eyes.
One of the causes of "sticky mirror" on the LX is a softening of the pad that the mirror rests on when down in the focusing position. This happened to mine (bought new when they came out), and as a result I could see the lenses didn't look like they focused to infinity. And when shooting at large and moderate apertures at medium distances pictures would be clearly out of focus.
This condition changes the mirror angle, so that the path of lens-to-focusing-screen is different than the distance from lens to film. The result is that "in focus" in the VF is not the same as "in focus" on the film.
After many years of not using the camera I sent it to Eric for a CLA, and it has been fine since.
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Yes, I'm aware of the problem and the solution, unfortunately a CLA in the UK for the LX costs 126, almost what I've paid for the camera, at the moment I can't spend that money and I'm wondering if it's better to send the camera back and get another one, the misalignment at inifity is minimal and I hoped the problem wouldn't be so evident, here there are some test shots:

No prob:



Prob at f2.8 if I remember correctly:



Two shots at f1.7 and 45 cm of distance or so, ironically no prob:





This self portrait looks almost like a slight focusing error but I'm sure I was correct...it was shot in auto mode and it looks a little overexposed imo:



Evident backfocus here:




Stupid sticky soft rubber pads ruined this wonderful scene with two squirrels going around after the rain:



So, besides the CLA is there any other ad interim solution? For instance shimming the mirror?

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The LX is a great camera...I'd try to be patient until I had the money for a CLA. Then you'll have an awesome camera for a very long time. I know it's hard, but they aren't getting any cheaper and you never know what the next one will be like. (could be worse) I'd save my nickles...That's just my opinion.
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Yes, I'm aware of the problem and the solution, unfortunately a CLA in the UK for the LX costs 126, almost what I've paid for the camera, at the moment I can't spend that money and I'm wondering if it's better to send the camera back and get another one, the misalignment at inifity is minimal and I hoped the problem wouldn't be so evident, here there are some test shots:
So, besides the CLA is there any other ad interim solution? For instance shimming the mirror?
I would suggest that test shots be conducted on tripod to eliminate movement and conclusively identify focus.
I would also suggest making sure the diopter is set correctly. I also test all my cameras using a viewfinder magnifier to ensure optimum manual focus.

There are two specific Pentax magnifiers - one for the K version and the other for the M series and LX. K series version below but it will not fit the LX+FA-1&2.



I found the Olympus Varimagni Finder fits most of my SLRs including both K & M series as well as the LX.



I understand that lab testing is done at the film plane with a screen and magnifier. However, I have never encountered a misaligned mirror in all the slrs that I have bought to date. But that is not to say your example does not have a focus issue.

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