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10-07-2015, 11:41 AM   #3481
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QuoteOriginally posted by Swift1 Quote
These aren't great photos, but I wanted to show how small the CV Color-Skopar 35/2.5 is, and also how great the older silver Jupiter-8 looks on the Bessa R

Here's the 35/2.5 next to my 1957 Jupiter-8. Note that the rear element protrudes a fair bit. When the the 35/2.5 is mounted to a camera it's really tiny.



And here's my Bessa R sporting my 1957 Jupiter-8, just because...
Nice "Red P" J-8! 1957 vintage! You should be expecting a call from Jussi (Nesster). He is collecting all things 1957. As for the Skopar...I knew they were tiny, but did not know HOW tiny!


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BTW...as an aside, if a Jupiter-8 or other FSU lens lacks the red Л (equivalent to Latin "P"), that does not always mean it is uncoated. The significance of the mark depends on year. Most (all?) Soviet glass since the mid-1950s is coated whether labeled with a Л or not. My 1967 Jupiter-8M is obviously coated, but alas has no Л


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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Nice "Red P" J-8! 1957 vintage! You should be expecting a call from Jussi (Nesster). He is collecting all things 1957.


Steve

(BTW...as an aside, if a Jupiter-8 or other FSU lens lacks the red Л (equivalent to Latin "P"), that does not mean it is uncoated. The significance of the mark depends on year. Most (all?) Soviet glass since the mid-1950s is coated whether labeled with a Л or not.)


Actually the P meant the lens was multicoated and supposedly at the same standard of better than the Zeiss T lenses, it was dropped in the 60s when it was decided that ALL Soviet lenses were supposed to receive that coating, while before that you could still find uncoated lenses...of course the coating improved through the years in Soviet Union like as in the rest of the world and it appears in the 70s their benchmark was Pentax for the development of Kiev Arsenal MC lenses in N mount, however this is my latest purchase on evilbay:






With TWO grips:


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Curious that the motor-wind grip has a cable release thread in the shutter release, while larger left-side non-motor drive does not.
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
BTW...as an aside, if a Jupiter-8 or other FSU lens lacks the red Л (equivalent to Latin "P"), that does not always mean it is uncoated. The significance of the mark depends on year. Most (all?) Soviet glass since the mid-1950s is coated whether labeled with a Л or not. My 1967 Jupiter-8M is obviously coated, but alas has no Л
But the red "P" looks cooler

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QuoteOriginally posted by WPRESTO Quote
Curious that the motor-wind grip has a cable release thread in the shutter release, while larger left-side non-motor drive does not.


That is not a motor winder, it's a mechanical "action grip" like the one of the Bronica, and it's the correct design for the 645E, the other is a the grip for the old M645 of the 70s I assume, I also see a pistol grip I won't use, but I was mostly interested in the mechanical grip as I like it in the Bronica and I don't want the weight of a motor drive in a already big camera.

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But the red "P" looks cooler




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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
Actually the P meant the lens was multicoated and supposedly at the same standard of better than the Zeiss T lenses
I have read that as well, though with Zeiss T (no star), the distinction was coated vs. non-coated.* That is where things get sticky. The coatings on FSU lenses post WWII evolved over time with the earliest lenses being non-coated. The Zeiss coating technology was specifically negotiated as part of war reparations at the Yalta Conference and the Soviets were quick to apply the tech to their optical industry. For the earliest Zeiss-derived lenses the red P obviously followed the Zeiss convention...the lens elements were German-sourced. Whether the red P had any particular significance later is hard to tell.

Conventional wisdom is that all Soviet glass from the mid-50s on is coated. The red P may signify better coatings or a more elaborate process. There is one thing that is sure, none of those red P lenses are multi-coated in the modern sense of the term. The technology did not exist prior to the Pentax SMC and Zeiss T* products. Those Soviet lenses that are multi-coated are prominently labeled as such and date from fairly recently.


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* Zeiss invented anti-reflective lens coatings in 1935 and the process was widely copied after WWII. SMC and T* MC coatings were developed by a joint Asahi/Zeiss venture in the early 1970s.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Swift1 Quote
But the red "P" looks cooler
Yep...I like the red P too.


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QuoteOriginally posted by chickentender Quote
Yup - same one - You noticed my buffing? It really is purdy on on the bessa, but I've a late model black Jupiter nearly here that is going to live on the body for the most part. I DO wish the J12 would be possible.
BTW...be careful with filters and hoods and some of the FSU lenses. Both my I-61 and J-9 (Contax/Kiev) take 0.5 thread pitch filters and will not mount a conventional 0.75 pitch filter or hood.


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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Nice "Red P" J-8! 1957 vintage! You should be expecting a call from Jussi (Nesster). He is collecting all things 1957. As for the Skopar...I knew they were tiny, but did not know HOW tiny!
Heh Heh, Steve, my collection of '57 Kiev is complete, but a Red P J8 LTM is a delicacy. Too bad I no longer take pictures and buy photographic equipment.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cuthbert Quote
Actually the P meant the lens was multicoated and supposedly at the same standard of better than the Zeiss T lenses, it was dropped in the 60s when it was decided that ALL Soviet lenses were supposed to receive that coating, while before that you could still find uncoated lenses...of course the coating improved through the years in Soviet Union like as in the rest of the world and it appears in the 70s their benchmark was Pentax for the development of Kiev Arsenal MC lenses in N mount, however this is my latest purchase on evilbay:

With TWO grips:


Nice set!

Phil.

Beautiful collection!

Phil.
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I havent posted in a long time, apparently I golf to much. I'm on vacation though and I found this for $60. It is in absolutely perfect condition, but I cant get the film advance to move, I imagine the shutter is frozen but if theres a trick that I dont know of let me know please.
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I havent posted in a long time, apparently I golf to much. I'm on vacation though and I found this for $60. It is in absolutely perfect condition, but I cant get the film advance to move, I imagine the shutter is frozen but if theres a trick that I dont know of let me know please.
If the wind mechanism is linked to the shutter, and the shutter is gunked up and frozen, then you will need to unstick the shutter.
Obviously the best plan would be to let a competent repair facility have a go at it, and spend the money.

If that is not an option you want to try first, then you can use a few drops of lighter fluid to help loosen the old lube and gunk.

If that does not free up the mechanisms, then my next step would be the stuff I have used on my last two old leaf shutter cameras. I went to an auto parts store and bought an aerosol can of brake parts cleaner. That stuff has a powerful jet spray and the solvents clean out grease and gunk very fast and leaves no residue. It often cleans so well that the shutter must be relubed. Generally that requires some disassembly, which kinda puts you back into a competent repair facility.

BEFORE you start taking stuff apart, or squirting stuff at your camera, you might look for a film release button. This is apparently a 135 film camera, which means it may be at the end of a roll, or thinks it is.
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Anyone here keen-eyed enough to figure what camera my grand-dad is opening on this very early 1970s Christmas morning?
I've stared at it a number of times but just can't tell.

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