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**WPRESTO** · 01-12-2016, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by g026r

I've always assumed that's the reason, to be honest. The Contax clones seems to have been about the only place where they decided to stick with a complicated mechanical design. (And then most likely because they got the equipment & technicians to do so.

)

Could be that copying the Contax rangefinder with it's vertical travel roll-up garage door-style shutter was a mistake, as that shutter was both prone to breakdown and very expensive to repair.

Cuthbert · 01-12-2016, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

Could be because the mechanical design was much simpler, especially because there's no instant-return mirror.

I assume you are talking about the Kiev Salyut first, then 80 and 88.

The mechanical design of the Hasselblad 1600/1000 was very complicated, it was designed by a watchmaker and the Swedes never made it work, the Soviets got obstinate and finally a Kiev is more reliable than a H1000, which is not to say much.

For the Contax, in the 30s it was the top camera (much more sophisticated than a Leica) and the vertical shutter was a great feature, Kiev Arsenal was more succesful with that design than with the Hasselblad.

I don't have a Kiev 2 or a Contax III but I've a IIa and a IIIa and they were superior to any Leica screwmount I have ever tried.

wombat2go · 01-12-2016, 04:50 PM - **1 Like**

This is my latest project, to add a wide angle to the "Baby" 2x3 Century.
The camera is from 1953 and is in very good condition.
The lens is from 1968 or so.
The lens board, the grip and the alignment "jigger" were made on my 1939 South Bend 9A lathe.

45 Mike · 01-12-2016, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by wombat2go

This is my latest project, to add a wide angle to the "Baby" 2x3 Century.
The camera is from 1953 and is in very good condition.
The lens is from 1968 or so.
The lens board, the grip and the alignment "jigger" were made on my 1939 South Bend 9A lathe.

Nice.
I have a 4x5 speed graphic and a 2x3 Burke&James. I am trying to figure out what that alignment jig is for.

wombat2go · 01-12-2016, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by 45 Mike

I am trying to figure out what that alignment jig is for.

Hi Mike,
It does the same job as the bed (rail) stops.
The jigger is adjusted initially after the front standard is set to infinity (or hyperfocal)
Then each time the lens is used, the jigger is set in place and the front standard is drawn out to contact it.

According to some of the guys on Apug, such jiggers were actually used, although I have yet to see a photo of one.
I just made it from their description.

The 2x3 century is capable of (limited) rise and tilt.
Here is its dof & vertical correction capability with the 103 mm Graftar:
https://app.box.com/s/guawvk0g2ods4g0xlms00t42pvyrpovl

45 Mike · 01-13-2016, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by wombat2go

Hi Mike,
It does the same job as the bed (rail) stops.
The jigger is adjusted initially after the front standard is set to infinity (or hyperfocal)
Then each time the lens is used, the jigger is set in place and the front standard is drawn out to contact it.

According to some of the guys on Apug, such jiggers were actually used, although I have yet to see a photo of one.
I just made it from their description.

The 2x3 century is capable of (limited) rise and tilt.
Here is its dof & vertical correction capability with the 103 mm Graftar:
https://app.box.com/s/guawvk0g2ods4g0xlms00t42pvyrpovl

Ahh, I see. My speed graphic has the fold down stops. My B&J has the stops set all the way to the end of the bed.
But as I change lenses a lot, I don't use any stops at all, I just guesstimate a bit short of focal length, then use the view glass to nail the focus with a loupe.

I got my B&J because the old advertisements claimed it did rise, fall, shift, swing and tilt on the front.
Well, it doesn't.
Rather it didn't.
The front did tilt, and if you then set it as portrait, that tilt became swing. Duh.

I disassembled the front standard base and re built it with a swing function. Now it does have full movements on the front.

Jean Poitiers · 01-15-2016, 01:30 PM - **4 Likes**

Today's quick image from the "Daily Challenge" group ...

Last edited by Jean Poitiers; 01-15-2016 at 01:46 PM.

**Baard-Einar** · 01-17-2016, 11:15 AM - **2 Likes**

Some sunday gear to share. This arrived yesterday from Eric. He did a very fin job fixing the Asahiflex 1A early version. The shutter curtain was so dry that it almost fell apart, some of the letherette needed fixing and he also restored some of the paint work. I only paid $36 for the camera, so well worth paying Eric for the restore and CLA. Now I need to get a 50mm lens for this baby.

On the rear door, the word Asahi OptCo is engraved into the letherette. This I have never seen before.

In the pictures you also will see a Takumar 100mm with its original lens hood. Havn't seen many original lens hoods for these old lenses.

Enjoy![COLOR="Silver"]

**monochrome** · 01-17-2016, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Baard-Einar

I had to take another picture. One is nice, but two makes it p0rn?

Originally posted by gofour3

Nice twins!

Phil.

Twins in a pRon thread is NSFW.

mrs. monochrome just looked over my shoulder and said, "NO!" So that for sure is NSF Home viewing either.

wombat2go · 01-17-2016, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by 45 Mike

I disassembled the front standard base and re built it with a swing function. Now it does have full movements on the front.

Would like to see it.

**arnold** · 01-17-2016, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Baard-Einar

This arrived yesterday from Eric. He did a very fin job fixing the Asahiflex 1A early version.

I would love to have one of these, especially a serviced one like yours. A real treasure.

**Baard-Einar** · 01-18-2016, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

twins in a pron thread is nsfw.

mrs. Monochrome just looked over my shoulder and said, "no!" so that for sure is nsf home viewing either. :d

rofl!!!

45 Mike · 01-18-2016, 12:40 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by wombat2go

Would like to see it.

here ya go.
This one is a normal, un moved set up. Note the copper lever at the bottom of the standard, that is my lock on shift and swing. The manufacturers knobs on side of standard, lock rise and tilt as normal.

OK, here I have shifted right, added rise, tilted down and swung to the left.
Better view of locking lever. Note that the rivets had to be removed from original standard support to allow the swing.
I hesitated to make this modification, because those rivets fastened the standard to the shifting mount.
Without those, the only supporting fastener would have to solidify and support the standard from a single point.

This shot shows shift right, rise, tilt up, and swing right. I had to add some brass washers to raise the standard above the groove that it was riveted into. I agonized for several weeks on making this mod, until I had completely visualized the entire process and how the result would work.

The locking lever, has a nut that I ground down to nearly the thickness of the copper sheet, that fits the bolt that comes up from the bottom. JB weld saved this project.

wombat2go · 01-18-2016, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by 45 Mike

I agonized for several weeks on making this mod

ingenious

JuanEstrada · 01-18-2016, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by malinku

my Minolta 35mm F1.8 came in today. seems like a sweet piece of glass. Can't wait to shoot it with my XK

I have 2 copies of this lens, a near mint and another that is very battered on the outside but has pristine glass... I sold my x570, one of my favorite cameras but kept the lens... I decided to buy a xd11 to keep using the 35mm f1.8... it is a must have.

Originally posted by LesDMess

Looks pretty good on mine . . . Ho - Ho - Ho . . .

It's not as awkward as the 58mm f1.2 on my XD-11!

As soon as I get my xd11 I will reenact this picture but with far more humble lenses hehehe

01-12-2016, 04:50 PM - 1 Like	#3813
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	This is my latest project, to add a wide angle to the "Baby" 2x3 Century. The camera is from 1953 and is in very good condition. The lens is from 1968 or so. The lens board, the grip and the alignment "jigger" were made on my 1939 South Bend 9A lathe. Attached Images

01-12-2016, 07:37 PM	#3815
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by 45 Mike I am trying to figure out what that alignment jig is for. Hi Mike, It does the same job as the bed (rail) stops. The jigger is adjusted initially after the front standard is set to infinity (or hyperfocal) Then each time the lens is used, the jigger is set in place and the front standard is drawn out to contact it. According to some of the guys on Apug, such jiggers were actually used, although I have yet to see a photo of one. I just made it from their description. The 2x3 century is capable of (limited) rise and tilt. Here is its dof & vertical correction capability with the 103 mm Graftar: https://app.box.com/s/guawvk0g2ods4g0xlms00t42pvyrpovl Last edited by wombat2go; 01-12-2016 at 07:45 PM.

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01-12-2016, 12:04 PM	#3811
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,108	Originally posted by g026r I've always assumed that's the reason, to be honest. The Contax clones seems to have been about the only place where they decided to stick with a complicated mechanical design. (And then most likely because they got the equipment & technicians to do so. ) Could be that copying the Contax rangefinder with it's vertical travel roll-up garage door-style shutter was a mistake, as that shutter was both prone to breakdown and very expensive to repair.

01-12-2016, 02:54 PM	#3812
Cuthbert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,740	Originally posted by WPRESTO Could be because the mechanical design was much simpler, especially because there's no instant-return mirror. I assume you are talking about the Kiev Salyut first, then 80 and 88. The mechanical design of the Hasselblad 1600/1000 was very complicated, it was designed by a watchmaker and the Swedes never made it work, the Soviets got obstinate and finally a Kiev is more reliable than a H1000, which is not to say much. For the Contax, in the 30s it was the top camera (much more sophisticated than a Leica) and the vertical shutter was a great feature, Kiev Arsenal was more succesful with that design than with the Hasselblad. I don't have a Kiev 2 or a Contax III but I've a IIa and a IIIa and they were superior to any Leica screwmount I have ever tried.

01-12-2016, 07:04 PM	#3814
45 Mike Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,350	Originally posted by wombat2go This is my latest project, to add a wide angle to the "Baby" 2x3 Century. The camera is from 1953 and is in very good condition. The lens is from 1968 or so. The lens board, the grip and the alignment "jigger" were made on my 1939 South Bend 9A lathe. Nice. I have a 4x5 speed graphic and a 2x3 Burke&James. I am trying to figure out what that alignment jig is for.

01-13-2016, 01:18 PM	#3816
45 Mike Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,350	Originally posted by wombat2go Hi Mike, It does the same job as the bed (rail) stops. The jigger is adjusted initially after the front standard is set to infinity (or hyperfocal) Then each time the lens is used, the jigger is set in place and the front standard is drawn out to contact it. According to some of the guys on Apug, such jiggers were actually used, although I have yet to see a photo of one. I just made it from their description. The 2x3 century is capable of (limited) rise and tilt. Here is its dof & vertical correction capability with the 103 mm Graftar: https://app.box.com/s/guawvk0g2ods4g0xlms00t42pvyrpovl Ahh, I see. My speed graphic has the fold down stops. My B&J has the stops set all the way to the end of the bed. But as I change lenses a lot, I don't use any stops at all, I just guesstimate a bit short of focal length, then use the view glass to nail the focus with a loupe. I got my B&J because the old advertisements claimed it did rise, fall, shift, swing and tilt on the front. Well, it doesn't. Rather it didn't. The front did tilt, and if you then set it as portrait, that tilt became swing. Duh. I disassembled the front standard base and re built it with a swing function. Now it does have full movements on the front.

01-15-2016, 01:30 PM - 4 Likes	#3817
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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Baard-Einar I had to take another picture. One is nice, but two makes it p0rn? Originally posted by gofour3 Nice twins! Phil. Twins in a pRon thread is NSFW. mrs. monochrome just looked over my shoulder and said, "NO!" So that for sure is NSF Home viewing either.

01-17-2016, 12:16 PM	#3820
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by 45 Mike I disassembled the front standard base and re built it with a swing function. Now it does have full movements on the front. Would like to see it.

01-17-2016, 10:45 PM	#3821
arnold Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,294	Originally posted by Baard-Einar This arrived yesterday from Eric. He did a very fin job fixing the Asahiflex 1A early version. I would love to have one of these, especially a serviced one like yours. A real treasure.

01-18-2016, 06:49 AM	#3822
Baard-Einar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oslo Photos: Gallery Posts: 964	Originally posted by monochrome twins in a pron thread is nsfw. mrs. Monochrome just looked over my shoulder and said, "no!" so that for sure is nsf home viewing either. :d rofl!!!

01-18-2016, 12:40 PM - 1 Like	#3823
45 Mike Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,350	Originally posted by wombat2go Would like to see it. here ya go. This one is a normal, un moved set up. Note the copper lever at the bottom of the standard, that is my lock on shift and swing. The manufacturers knobs on side of standard, lock rise and tilt as normal. OK, here I have shifted right, added rise, tilted down and swung to the left. Better view of locking lever. Note that the rivets had to be removed from original standard support to allow the swing. I hesitated to make this modification, because those rivets fastened the standard to the shifting mount. Without those, the only supporting fastener would have to solidify and support the standard from a single point. This shot shows shift right, rise, tilt up, and swing right. I had to add some brass washers to raise the standard above the groove that it was riveted into. I agonized for several weeks on making this mod, until I had completely visualized the entire process and how the result would work. The locking lever, has a nut that I ground down to nearly the thickness of the copper sheet, that fits the bolt that comes up from the bottom. JB weld saved this project.

01-18-2016, 01:03 PM	#3824
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by 45 Mike I agonized for several weeks on making this mod ingenious

01-18-2016, 10:41 PM	#3825
JuanEstrada Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bogotá, Colombia! Posts: 87	Originally posted by malinku my Minolta 35mm F1.8 came in today. seems like a sweet piece of glass. Can't wait to shoot it with my XK I have 2 copies of this lens, a near mint and another that is very battered on the outside but has pristine glass... I sold my x570, one of my favorite cameras but kept the lens... I decided to buy a xd11 to keep using the 35mm f1.8... it is a must have. Originally posted by LesDMess Looks pretty good on mine . . . Ho - Ho - Ho . . . It's not as awkward as the 58mm f1.2 on my XD-11! As soon as I get my xd11 I will reenact this picture but with far more humble lenses hehehe