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07-08-2016, 10:07 AM   #4366
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The image from that review certainly looks similar:



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QuoteOriginally posted by Swift1 Quote
I'm pretty sure that's a Samyang built lens.
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I'm also pretty sure I recall a Samyang of that focal length being available. Have you checked for any other lettering or symbols near inside the front outer rim without the filter attached. However, a google search turned up this thread right here on PF with reference to a review in the 2nd entry.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/254726-samy...28mm-lens.html
QuoteOriginally posted by g026r Quote
The image from that review certainly looks similar:
Yes you guys are right, that's the lens....I assume it's not that great, the building quality is also iffy in comparison to the Olympia Sonnar but I thought it would have been handy to have a 18mm.
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Not sure it it was precisely the same version, but I had a Rikenon 50mm f1.4 when I was using two Ricoh XRM bodies. It was one of the most beautifully finished lenses I've ever handled. The focus action was absolutely perfect - butter smooth with no hint of looseness. However, the IQ was disappointing. I never found it as satisfactory at any aperture as the f1.4 Takumar on my Spotmatic.
I finally got some pics of this lens with the XR2S, it's not bad,I would rate it better than a M50mm f1.4 but not better than a K50mm f1.4, good sharpness, goos colours, wild bokeh....I used Fuji 200 and a polarizing filter that I assume helped a lot:







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Ooops... I did it again.



1977 Kiev 4A, black. It came with a silver Jupiter-8, but this is with my Helios-103 on it which I prefer.

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Ooops... I did it again.



1977 Kiev 4A, black. It came with a silver Jupiter-8, but this is with my Helios-103 on it which I prefer.
That's real purdy...
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That's real purdy...
Innit just? I've a thing for black and chrome things that tend black. Mostly I just wanted an older one without the selenium meter to carry and hold easier since I've only used that meter (it still works accurately on my 4M amazingly) a handful of times and really just for kicks. This 4A one is definitely a little less awkward to handle but feels older & stiffer, though just using it seems to be loosening it back up. Hope the shots turn out as well as the 4M - I'd like it to become a regular.
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QuoteOriginally posted by chickentender Quote
Innit just? I've a thing for black and chrome things that tend black. Mostly I just wanted an older one without the selenium meter to carry and hold easier since I've only used that meter (it still works accurately on my 4M amazingly) a handful of times and really just for kicks. This 4A one is definitely a little less awkward to handle but feels older & stiffer, though just using it seems to be loosening it back up. Hope the shots turn out as well as the 4M - I'd like it to become a regular.
I was just yesterday drooling over a gorgeous Contax IIa and Sonnar 50/2...
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I was just yesterday drooling over a gorgeous Contax IIa and Sonnar 50/2...
Got it.

With a Sonnar 1.5. And a Biogon 2.8...both of them West Germany of course.

However these black Kievs and Feds are lovely and well made, I would also like to get one, but at the moment my purchase is limited to two Soviet M42 lenses:





I don't like the fact they are preset but you can't have everything in life, I heard good things about the Tair, not so much about the Mir 1v, but I got for a 20 extra so I assume I can't complain.

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I was just yesterday drooling over a gorgeous Contax IIa and Sonnar 50/2...
I've done the same off and on as well - same setup - but can't justify it given the results I get from this Soviet combination. Someday perhaps - but this experience is pretty close I'd reckon. They're definitely better feeling/handling than the Soviet "Leica" counterparts.

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Got it.

With a Sonnar 1.5. And a Biogon 2.8...both of them West Germany of course.

However these black Kievs and Feds are lovely and well made, I would also like to get one
As near as I can tell from my research the past year or so, black was never a factory color. I've read that any which are found to be black are done by a certain repairman back in the early days (cannot recall where he was located) or just by average folk more recently. No real way to know when-or-how my '77 copy became black - it does havea very slight "orange peel" look to the finish, but I don't really care. It was cheap and looks good to me. Might not be a factory-quality job, but it's pretty darn well done. (Though "factory quality" in FSU camera plants is up to interpretation!)

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Hmmmm... perhaps there are some original factory black copies. (Now I'd like to take a closer look at mine)
Genuine Black Kiev 4 - Rangefinderforum.com
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QuoteOriginally posted by chickentender Quote
I've done the same off and on as well - same setup - but can't justify it given the results I get from this Soviet combination. Someday perhaps - but this experience is pretty close I'd reckon. They're definitely better feeling/handling than the Soviet "Leica" counterparts.

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As near as I can tell from my research the past year or so, black was never a factory color. I've read that any which are found to be black are done by a certain repairman back in the early days (cannot recall where he was located) or just by average folk more recently. No real way to know when-or-how my '77 copy became black - it does havea very slight "orange peel" look to the finish, but I don't really care. It was cheap and looks good to me. Might not be a factory-quality job, but it's pretty darn well done. (Though "factory quality" in FSU camera plants is up to interpretation!)

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Hmmmm... perhaps there are some original factory black copies. (Now I'd like to take a closer look at mine)
Genuine Black Kiev 4 - Rangefinderforum.com
Yes they were made by an artist in Kiev in the late 90s as far as I remember.

To be honest I don't care, these cameras are common and the result is professional, also in order to get that quality they had to disassemble the camera and I assume they reput it together in a better way Arsenal did the first time. :P
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Yes they were made by an artist in Kiev in the late 90s as far as I remember.

To be honest I don't care, these cameras are common and the result is professional, also in order to get that quality they had to disassemble the camera and I assume they reput it together in a better way Arsenal did the first time. :P
My view precisely. Both of mine are noticeably more 'solid' in feel and operation than my Fed or 2 Zorkis.
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QuoteOriginally posted by chickentender Quote
My view precisely. Both of mine are noticeably more 'solid' in feel and operation than my Fed or 2 Zorkis.
Generally speaking Contax cameras were more solid than Leicas (I have a IIa, a IIIa and a Leica IIIb to compare), almost brick like, but I'm pretty if you buy one of these black Fed 2s they will also feel better put together.

Now I remember I am without rangefinders.
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I am loving my 'new' 40XS - so sharp, lovely colours, superfast AF and fully 35mm compatible - with the MZ-10 it makes a fantastically portable and lightweight kit.

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I've done the same off and on as well - same setup - but can't justify it given the results I get from this Soviet combination. Someday perhaps - but this experience is pretty close I'd reckon. They're definitely better feeling/handling than the Soviet "Leica" counterparts.
The Contax viewfinder/rangefinder is 2-3 notches above that in the Kiev...just a small warning...


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Hmmmm... perhaps there are some original factory black copies. (Now I'd like to take a closer look at mine)
Genuine Black Kiev 4 - Rangefinderforum.com
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Yes they were made by an artist in Kiev in the late 90s as far as I remember.
My memory as well.


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