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Jonathan Mac · 08-08-2016, 12:19 AM

Having owned both versions of the M 28/2.8 and now the A 28/2.8 I can tell you that the relatively high ratings they have in the reviews here are not deserved - they render very flat images and aren't sharp wide open. Of course, they can produce excellent images in the right hands and conditions but other lenses can do so much better. I may keep the A because it's mint and the A setting could be very handy but in general I'd recommend the M 28mm f/3.5 over any of them, and the K 28/3.5 is even better, but a lot bigger and heavier.

nickthetasmaniac · 08-08-2016, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Having owned both versions of the M 28/2.8 and now the A 28/2.8 I can tell you that the relatively high ratings they have in the reviews here are not deserved - they render very flat images and aren't sharp wide open. Of course, they can produce excellent images in the right hands and conditions but other lenses can do so much better. I may keep the A because it's mint and the A setting could be very handy but in general I'd recommend the M 28mm f/3.5 over any of them, and the K 28/3.5 is even better, but a lot bigger and heavier.

That's basically the impression I got for both the M and A 2.8's...

We'll see, I reckon I'll hang onto it if only for the portability on the MX - about as close as you'll get to 'pocketable' with a 35mm SLR

EJMzagsfan · 08-09-2016, 12:45 AM

I have wanted to try out the m 28 3.5. I have used the 2.8 a lot and it's a dog at infinity but pretty damn good clooser in. I wonder if other lenses are like this other than macros.

bessa-66 · 08-09-2016, 09:43 PM - **2 Likes**

Recently I went on a road trip to Adelaide, and one of the camera stores down there had a bit of a sale on. I am the proud new owner of an Agfa Optima 1 dating from the 1960s, and some m42 and Pentax K extension tubes... fun stuff!

**arnold** · 08-10-2016, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Having owned both versions of the M 28/2.8 and now the A 28/2.8 I can tell you that the relatively high ratings they have in the reviews here are not deserved - they render very flat images and aren't sharp wide open. Of course, they can produce excellent images in the right hands and conditions but other lenses can do so much better. I may keep the A because it's mint and the A setting could be very handy but in general I'd recommend the M 28mm f/3.5 over any of them, and the K 28/3.5 is even better, but a lot bigger and heavier.

This example was taken with the first version 28MMf2.8 in 1981. This is a scan of film, but I am quite happy with the results of this lens.
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nickthetasmaniac · 08-10-2016, 12:56 AM - **3 Likes**

Interesting discussion going on with the 28mm, although not particularly helpful... Some say it's good, some say it's terrible! Oh well, I'll just have to shoot and make up my own mind.

Anyway, this arrived today (the LX anyway, the M50 has been hanging around for a while...)

Jonathan Mac · 08-10-2016, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by nickthetasmaniac

Interesting discussion going on with the 28mm, although not particularly helpful... Some say it's good, some say it's terrible! Oh well, I'll just have to shoot and make up my own mind.

Anyway, this arrived today (the LX anyway, the M50 has been hanging around for a while...)

Nice. Sometimes I think I should sell off a lot of my 35mm SLRs and just spend the money on an LX, everybody raves about it.

The 28/2.8s aren't terrible, they're just very "meh", as people say - not terrible, not great, they generally produce photos that are a bit dull. Having said that, I used the A 28/2.8 a little the other evening and it did fine (though the bokeh is the roughest I've ever seen).

nickthetasmaniac · 08-10-2016, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Nice. Sometimes I think I should sell off a lot of my 35mm SLRs and just spend the money on an LX, everybody raves about it.

I've had a bit of a love/hate thing with the LX. I got one a few years ago and got bitten hard, ended up spending significantly more than the value of the camera on fixes, and then sold it in frustration. I've kinda avoided them since and used MX's when I wanted to shoot an SLR. It's nice to get back on the horse though, and I think this one is a winner (touch wood)

**gofour3** · 08-10-2016, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I used the A 28/2.8 a little the other evening and it did fine (though the bokeh is the roughest I've ever seen).

Yeah I just ran a roll through my LX this morning, using my new A28/2.8. I believe it has different optics than the M28/2.8 V1, but so far I find my "K" series 28mm-30mm lenses to be better overall.

Will see how this mornings shots turn out, but I doubt my opinion will change much.

Phil.

**monochrome** · 08-10-2016, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by unixrevolution

I think just the very fact that I didn't see the juxtaposition until you pointed it out is proof that the ad men are right

Perfume buyer (subconscious)

1. Hmmmm. Not only might I look like her, but the man who picks me up might take me there.
2. Yeah, it's for my wife. But I can dream.

**monochrome** · 08-10-2016, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by nickthetasmaniac

I've had a bit of a love/hate thing with the LX. I got one a few years ago and got bitten hard, ended up spending significantly more than the value of the camera on fixes, and then sold it in frustration. I've kinda avoided them since and used MX's when I wanted to shoot an SLR. It's nice to get back on the horse though, and I think this one is a winner (touch wood)

Though I use my KX more than the others for sentimental reasons (I learned on that camera and everything just comes to hand as it should), I enjoy a day with my LX more than any other 'chosen camera' day because, well, it's an LX day. *

* sometimes I wonder if I am indulging a subconscious Sultan and His Harem fantasy with all these cameras and lenses.

unixrevolution · 08-10-2016, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by bessa-66

Recently I went on a road trip to Adelaide, and one of the camera stores down there had a bit of a sale on. I am the proud new owner of an Agfa Optima 1 dating from the 1960s, and some m42 and Pentax K extension tubes... fun stuff!

Nice find! Am I to guess that the close-ups of the Agfa were made with the help of extension tubes?

bessa-66 · 08-11-2016, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by unixrevolution

Nice find! Am I to guess that the close-ups of the Agfa were made with the help of extension tubes?

Thanks! Yeah, I needed to ..umm.. test them out

unixrevolution · 08-11-2016, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by bessa-66

Thanks! Yeah, I needed to ..umm.. test them out

Using your gear is what it's for. Be proud of having done so

bessa-66 · 08-12-2016, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by unixrevolution

Using your gear is what it's for. Be proud of having done so

They've already been promoted to my camera bag! Haha

08-09-2016, 09:43 PM - 2 Likes	#4354
bessa-66 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 137	My haul from the Adelaide camera stores Recently I went on a road trip to Adelaide, and one of the camera stores down there had a bit of a sale on. I am the proud new owner of an Agfa Optima 1 dating from the 1960s, and some m42 and Pentax K extension tubes... fun stuff!

08-10-2016, 12:25 AM	#4355
arnold Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,299	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Having owned both versions of the M 28/2.8 and now the A 28/2.8 I can tell you that the relatively high ratings they have in the reviews here are not deserved - they render very flat images and aren't sharp wide open. Of course, they can produce excellent images in the right hands and conditions but other lenses can do so much better. I may keep the A because it's mint and the A setting could be very handy but in general I'd recommend the M 28mm f/3.5 over any of them, and the K 28/3.5 is even better, but a lot bigger and heavier. This example was taken with the first version 28MMf2.8 in 1981. This is a scan of film, but I am quite happy with the results of this lens. [IMG][/IMG]

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08-08-2016, 12:19 AM	#4351
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,911	Having owned both versions of the M 28/2.8 and now the A 28/2.8 I can tell you that the relatively high ratings they have in the reviews here are not deserved - they render very flat images and aren't sharp wide open. Of course, they can produce excellent images in the right hands and conditions but other lenses can do so much better. I may keep the A because it's mint and the A setting could be very handy but in general I'd recommend the M 28mm f/3.5 over any of them, and the K 28/3.5 is even better, but a lot bigger and heavier.

08-08-2016, 06:29 PM	#4352
nickthetasmaniac Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,361	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Having owned both versions of the M 28/2.8 and now the A 28/2.8 I can tell you that the relatively high ratings they have in the reviews here are not deserved - they render very flat images and aren't sharp wide open. Of course, they can produce excellent images in the right hands and conditions but other lenses can do so much better. I may keep the A because it's mint and the A setting could be very handy but in general I'd recommend the M 28mm f/3.5 over any of them, and the K 28/3.5 is even better, but a lot bigger and heavier. That's basically the impression I got for both the M and A 2.8's... We'll see, I reckon I'll hang onto it if only for the portability on the MX - about as close as you'll get to 'pocketable' with a 35mm SLR

08-09-2016, 12:45 AM	#4353
EJMzagsfan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Idaho Photos: Albums Posts: 241	I have wanted to try out the m 28 3.5. I have used the 2.8 a lot and it's a dog at infinity but pretty damn good clooser in. I wonder if other lenses are like this other than macros.

08-10-2016, 12:56 AM - 3 Likes	#4356
nickthetasmaniac Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,361	Interesting discussion going on with the 28mm, although not particularly helpful... Some say it's good, some say it's terrible! Oh well, I'll just have to shoot and make up my own mind. Anyway, this arrived today (the LX anyway, the M50 has been hanging around for a while...)

08-10-2016, 02:01 AM	#4357
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,911	Originally posted by nickthetasmaniac Interesting discussion going on with the 28mm, although not particularly helpful... Some say it's good, some say it's terrible! Oh well, I'll just have to shoot and make up my own mind. Anyway, this arrived today (the LX anyway, the M50 has been hanging around for a while...) Nice. Sometimes I think I should sell off a lot of my 35mm SLRs and just spend the money on an LX, everybody raves about it. The 28/2.8s aren't terrible, they're just very "meh", as people say - not terrible, not great, they generally produce photos that are a bit dull. Having said that, I used the A 28/2.8 a little the other evening and it did fine (though the bokeh is the roughest I've ever seen).

08-10-2016, 02:26 AM	#4358
nickthetasmaniac Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,361	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Nice. Sometimes I think I should sell off a lot of my 35mm SLRs and just spend the money on an LX, everybody raves about it. I've had a bit of a love/hate thing with the LX. I got one a few years ago and got bitten hard, ended up spending significantly more than the value of the camera on fixes, and then sold it in frustration. I've kinda avoided them since and used MX's when I wanted to shoot an SLR. It's nice to get back on the horse though, and I think this one is a winner (touch wood)

08-10-2016, 10:00 AM	#4359
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,092	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I used the A 28/2.8 a little the other evening and it did fine (though the bokeh is the roughest I've ever seen). Yeah I just ran a roll through my LX this morning, using my new A28/2.8. I believe it has different optics than the M28/2.8 V1, but so far I find my "K" series 28mm-30mm lenses to be better overall. Will see how this mornings shots turn out, but I doubt my opinion will change much. Phil.

08-10-2016, 11:12 AM	#4360
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by unixrevolution I think just the very fact that I didn't see the juxtaposition until you pointed it out is proof that the ad men are right Perfume buyer (subconscious) 1. Hmmmm. Not only might I look like her, but the man who picks me up might take me there. 2. Yeah, it's for my wife. But I can dream.

08-10-2016, 11:18 AM	#4361
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by nickthetasmaniac I've had a bit of a love/hate thing with the LX. I got one a few years ago and got bitten hard, ended up spending significantly more than the value of the camera on fixes, and then sold it in frustration. I've kinda avoided them since and used MX's when I wanted to shoot an SLR. It's nice to get back on the horse though, and I think this one is a winner (touch wood) Though I use my KX more than the others for sentimental reasons (I learned on that camera and everything just comes to hand as it should), I enjoy a day with my LX more than any other 'chosen camera' day because, well, it's an LX day. * * sometimes I wonder if I am indulging a subconscious Sultan and His Harem fantasy with all these cameras and lenses.

08-10-2016, 12:46 PM	#4362
unixrevolution Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Waldorf, MD Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,861	Originally posted by bessa-66 Recently I went on a road trip to Adelaide, and one of the camera stores down there had a bit of a sale on. I am the proud new owner of an Agfa Optima 1 dating from the 1960s, and some m42 and Pentax K extension tubes... fun stuff! Nice find! Am I to guess that the close-ups of the Agfa were made with the help of extension tubes?

08-11-2016, 05:04 AM	#4363
bessa-66 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 137	Originally posted by unixrevolution Nice find! Am I to guess that the close-ups of the Agfa were made with the help of extension tubes? Thanks! Yeah, I needed to ..umm.. test them out

08-11-2016, 05:55 AM	#4364
unixrevolution Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Waldorf, MD Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,861	Originally posted by bessa-66 Thanks! Yeah, I needed to ..umm.. test them out Using your gear is what it's for. Be proud of having done so

08-12-2016, 01:10 AM	#4365
bessa-66 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 137	Originally posted by unixrevolution Using your gear is what it's for. Be proud of having done so They've already been promoted to my camera bag! Haha