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05-08-2013, 06:58 PM   #16
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The Super S2 according to that reference was sold only in Japan, but why then translate the user's manual?
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I have added a separate entry for the Super . Thanks to SteveM for the information about the camera!
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In case you haven't seen this here is the Asahi Optical Historical Club reference for Screwmount Asahi cameras. It shows the late S2 with the ST55/2 and which markets it was supposed to have been sold in.
Well, who knows? How do we verify that this actually only was sold in Japan? Inside my copy there is a sticker with a name of a company in Brazil.
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I have added a separate entry for the Super . Thanks to SteveM for the information about the camera!
Ole: Do you want photos of a black super S2, early version? Let me know, and I can arrange some.

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The label could have been put in the camera after being serviced. The Asahi Optical Historical Club is very accurate, but not perfect. van Oosten didn't mention markets on the S2 Super.

The S2 and S2 Super have different pages in the M42 section. Our pages has the same info as the PacificRim page and our m42 section predates the images on that page.

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Internal Differences?

I wonder which lens actuator this Super S2 uses. The earlier bodies (S1, etc) originally used a simpler actuator as it only had to trigger the semi-automatic lens mechanism, although it will work with fully auto Takumar. Here's what that looks like on my H1:
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If it's the early type maybe they were using up body castings in the local market with the Super S2.
More likely it was a marketing decision for the export markets, where it didn't make ecomomic sense to have so many tiers of product. The various country importers probably had a lot of say about the models they needed to sell, and Honeywell could differentiate the H1a from the H3v, but the Super S2 was a "wedged" fit between them. Notice that the English instructions note that both the SV and Super S2 were so new they weren't being exported yet; so a marketing decision about what to export was probably still being made.
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I wonder which lens actuator this Super S2 uses.
My copy have the more robust actuator, similar to the one you show in the SV photo.

The S1 is a later model than the S2, so strange that your H1 uses that simple actuator? Are you sure that the actuator in your H1 is original?

Even my K has the same actuator. See enclosed photo taken of the K
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Are you sure that the actuator in your H1 is original?

Even my K has the same actuator. See enclosed photo taken of the K
I'm quite sure this H1 is all original - bought from the claimed original owner with case, lens, box, etc. It is very early, with serial number 310xxx which is earlier than those in this forum database for S1/H1. The closest entry in the database was a 324xxx number where the owner said he bought it in 1959 - which is the year Heiland became the US distributor (this is a Heiland Pentax).
The mechanical linkage of this actuator is very different: it moves linearly back-to-front instead of pivoting, so it couldn't be swapped without a complete body swap.
It looks like the K model was also made during 1959, so perhaps the change occurred during that year. What serial number range is your K?

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I'm quite sure this H1 is all original - bought from the claimed original owner with case, lens, box, etc. It is very early, with serial number 310xxx which is earlier than those in this forum database for S1/H1. The closest entry in the database was a 324xxx number where the owner said he bought it in 1959 - which is the year Heiland became the US distributor (this is a Heiland Pentax).
The mechanical linkage of this actuator is very different: it moves linearly back-to-front instead of pivoting, so it couldn't be swapped without a complete body swap.
It looks like the K model was also made during 1959, so perhaps the change occurred during that year. What serial number range is your K?
The S1 came on sale from 1961.

My K has s/n 178363.
And I have a early S2 as well, with s/n 222277, same coupling as the K. I can post a photo of that as well if you want.
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Well, the H1 was a budget model, and sold only with the semi-auto lens, so perhaps this is an H1 only linkage for lower cost.

Added: No - I also found and H3 with the same linkage.

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Ole: Do you want photos of a black super S2, early version? Let me know, and I can arrange some.
Yes, that would be cool!
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Well, the H2 was a budget model, and sold only with the semi-auto lens, so perhaps this is an H2 only linkage for lower cost.

Check out item 400476881800 on eBay, a H1. Looks like it has the same linkage as the SV. Maybe someone here on the Forum have an H1. And can provide a shot of the interior?

Then the item 151007093796 on eBay shows the H2.
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Curious. Both of these do have later serial numbers than my H1. I notice the linkage mine has isn't documented in the Pentax factory repair manual (S1-SV) parts diagrams either.

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Curious. Both of these do have later serial numbers than my H2. I notice the linkage mine has isn't documented in the Pentax factory repair manual (S1-SV) parts diagrams either.
I am a little confused. Is it a H1 or H2 that you are referring to? The H2 is sold at the same time as the S2 (non-Super), it came marked as Asahi Pentax H2 (sold in Europe) and Heiland Pentax H2 in the US, and also Asahi Pentax S2 outside USA. In some markets it was branded Asahiflex (South Africa and Finland(!)).

In your text, you are comparing H2 and S1-SV. There is no link between H2 and S1. When the S1 was introduced, it was sold as H1 in USA. The SV was sold as H3v, indicating that the SV is an improved version of the S3. The S1a was sold as the H1a in the US.
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H3 also

Well. it's not completely unique! I have an H3 body I hadn't looked at, with an earlier serial number (295xxx), and it has the same linkage as my H1. I pulled the front cover off both that and an SV to look at the linkage differences. Here's the H3 body:
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Notice that the H1-H3 linkage is pivoted from above on the mirror box, with long linkages so it moves more linear. The SV linkage isn't even part of the body - it is mounted to the bottom of the front cover / lens board:
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Un-documented production variations?

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