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Mike Cash · 04-20-2008, 01:44 AM

One day last week I spent the night in my truck parked alongside the museum of maritime science in Tokyo. The Japanese Ministry of Fisheries keeps a couple of their patrol vessels tied up there and about 3:30 in the morning I hauled out my tripod, K100D, and a Yashica Electro 35 GS.

Pentax K100D SMC-A 28/2.8 (f8)

Yashica Electro 35 GS (45/1.7) (f8)

axl · 04-20-2008, 02:21 AM

I'd say the winner is clear...

Mike Cash · 04-20-2008, 02:28 AM

I wouldn't. I really ought to redo it with the same lens on both a digital and a film body.

lithos · 04-20-2008, 02:43 AM

Soooo...how many whale carcasses can they hold?

Mike Cash · 04-20-2008, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by lithos

Soooo...how many whale carcasses can they hold?

Not being whaling ships, I would guess "zero".

J.Scott · 04-20-2008, 02:58 AM

You didn't mention which brand and ASA of film you used. Do you recall the shutter opening for both images? I think the digital image is sharper, however, since I wasn't there can't comment on the colour reproduction as to which one is more 'natural'. The film shot is definitely warmer than the digital image. I haven't done a lot of night shooting with either film or digital so it's hard to comment constructively.

Mike Cash · 04-20-2008, 04:07 AM

I used Centuria 200 color film and also had the K100D set for ISO200. The Yashica Electro 35 is aperture-priority and there is no way of setting or knowing the shutter speed, other than an indication it is either over or under 1/30. I believe the exposure was probably about 3 seconds, which is comparable to what the K100D was doing.

I shot the digital photo in RAW and adjusted the white balance from the original which more closely resembled the film image. I also did considerably more post-processing to the digital image than to the film image.

Then there are differences such as the K100D using TTL metering and the YE35 using a body-mounted meter working with batteries it was never intended to use, and only a 5 blade aperture.

I have to go back and try this through my ME sometime.

titrisol · 04-20-2008, 04:45 AM

Nice scene, now you have to set the color balance in your K100D for daylight in order to compare to the film.
film doesn't autoWB

and there seems to be a mix of incadescent and neons.... tricky!

Jimfear · 04-20-2008, 05:30 AM

Interesting, I'd like to see more comparisons like this. With the K10D and K20D, and lenses of similar quality on both film and digital.

**WJW** · 04-20-2008, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

I used Centuria 200 color film and also had the K100D set for ISO200. The Yashica Electro 35 is aperture-priority and there is no way of setting or knowing the shutter speed, other than an indication it is either over or under 1/30. I believe the exposure was probably about 3 seconds, which is comparable to what the K100D was doing.

Mike, I'll bet bet you also needed a little more exposure with the YE. IIRC, Konica color films start needing extra exposure below about 1 sec.

04-20-2008, 01:44 AM	#1
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Same Scene: Digital and Film One day last week I spent the night in my truck parked alongside the museum of maritime science in Tokyo. The Japanese Ministry of Fisheries keeps a couple of their patrol vessels tied up there and about 3:30 in the morning I hauled out my tripod, K100D, and a Yashica Electro 35 GS. Pentax K100D SMC-A 28/2.8 (f8) Yashica Electro 35 GS (45/1.7) (f8)

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04-20-2008, 02:21 AM	#2
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	I'd say the winner is clear...

04-20-2008, 02:28 AM	#3
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950 Original Poster	I wouldn't. I really ought to redo it with the same lens on both a digital and a film body.

04-20-2008, 02:43 AM	#4
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Soooo...how many whale carcasses can they hold?

04-20-2008, 02:45 AM	#5
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950 Original Poster	Originally posted by lithos Soooo...how many whale carcasses can they hold? Not being whaling ships, I would guess "zero".

04-20-2008, 02:58 AM	#6
J.Scott Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,675	You didn't mention which brand and ASA of film you used. Do you recall the shutter opening for both images? I think the digital image is sharper, however, since I wasn't there can't comment on the colour reproduction as to which one is more 'natural'. The film shot is definitely warmer than the digital image. I haven't done a lot of night shooting with either film or digital so it's hard to comment constructively.

04-20-2008, 04:07 AM	#7
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950 Original Poster	I used Centuria 200 color film and also had the K100D set for ISO200. The Yashica Electro 35 is aperture-priority and there is no way of setting or knowing the shutter speed, other than an indication it is either over or under 1/30. I believe the exposure was probably about 3 seconds, which is comparable to what the K100D was doing. I shot the digital photo in RAW and adjusted the white balance from the original which more closely resembled the film image. I also did considerably more post-processing to the digital image than to the film image. Then there are differences such as the K100D using TTL metering and the YE35 using a body-mounted meter working with batteries it was never intended to use, and only a 5 blade aperture. I have to go back and try this through my ME sometime.

04-20-2008, 04:45 AM	#8
titrisol Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the most populated state... state of denial Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,854	Nice scene, now you have to set the color balance in your K100D for daylight in order to compare to the film. film doesn't autoWB and there seems to be a mix of incadescent and neons.... tricky!

04-20-2008, 05:30 AM	#9
Jimfear Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 576	Interesting, I'd like to see more comparisons like this. With the K10D and K20D, and lenses of similar quality on both film and digital.

04-20-2008, 05:57 AM	#10
WJW Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Texas Posts: 383	Originally posted by Mike Cash I used Centuria 200 color film and also had the K100D set for ISO200. The Yashica Electro 35 is aperture-priority and there is no way of setting or knowing the shutter speed, other than an indication it is either over or under 1/30. I believe the exposure was probably about 3 seconds, which is comparable to what the K100D was doing. Mike, I'll bet bet you also needed a little more exposure with the YE. IIRC, Konica color films start needing extra exposure below about 1 sec.

Same Scene: Digital and Film

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