Why do you still do film?

LaHo · 10-06-2014, 10:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

That is one of the nicest TLRs ever made. Cool camera.
Steve

Yes, it is :-)

**gofour3** · 10-06-2014, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by LaHo

" Why do you still do film?" Well, one reason is all the different formats and cameras out there. The whole spectrum is much wider than what digital has to offer: sub-miniture to medium format, large format and plate cameras, and so many types: box, folder, range finder, SLR, TLR, view camera, toy camera ...
Recently I have been shooting with a Mamiya TLR from 1969 or thereabouts:

The Church of Our Lady, Copenhagen, Denmark with the famous "Christus" scultupe by Bertel Thorvaldsen vaguely seen in the unsharp background.

Camera: Mamiya C330 Professional
Lens: 135mm F4.5
Exposure: 1/60 @ F4.5
Film: Kodak Tri-X 400 iso dev. in ID-11 1:3
Light meter: Gossen Profisix

Great shot!

Phil.

IHS · 10-07-2014, 04:07 AM

^^^Sure is...I'd love to see more of that place. Thanks for sharing.

LaHo · 10-07-2014, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by IHS

^^^Sure is...I'd love to see more of that place. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, well, here's one more from the Mamiya:

Lens: 135mm F4.5
Exposure: 1/60 @ F4.5
Film: Kodak Tri-X 400 iso dev. in ID-11 1:3
Light meter: Gossen Profisix

... and one from the Pentax 645N from another visit in poorer light:

Lens: smc Pentax-A 645 75mm F2.8
Exposure: 1/20 @F4.5 (handheld with support)
Film: HP5+ dev. in ID-11

The Church of Our Lady (Danish: Vor Frue Kirke) is the cathedral of Copenhagen and the National Cathedral of Denmark.
Bertel Thorvaldsen was commissioned to decorate the interior with statues of Christ and the apostles.

LesDMess · 10-07-2014, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by LaHo

The Church of Our Lady (Danish: Vor Frue Kirke) is the cathedral of Copenhagen and the National Cathedral of Denmark.
Bertel Thorvaldsen was commissioned to decorate the interior with statues of Christ and the apostles.

At first I thought this was a "newer" church until I read more about its history. Thanks for posting these images as I enjoy these old churches.

LaHo · 10-07-2014, 08:50 AM

Well, it isn't that old. Construction started in 1817, and the work was completed in 1829.
The British destroyed the old one and laid most of Copenhagen in ruins during the seige in 1807. The British also used Congreve Rockets, and over a thousand buildings were burned. They used the spire of the old Vor Frue Kirke as an aiming point. The British bombardment of Copenhagen killed some 195 civilians and injured 768 - and is one of the first examples of military forces using bombarment against a civilian population in what we today would define as a war crime.

LaHo · 10-07-2014, 09:00 AM

As to old churches - this one is fairly old: Urnes Stave Church:

Urnes stave church at Ornes in Sogn, Norway. Built AD 1100-50. Considered to be the oldest remaining stave church in Norway.
The north portal - the wood carvings vaguely seen in the wall behind the white headstones - belonged to an older church that stood on the same spot and believed to be from around AD 1050. These carvings belong to a certain style that is internationally know as "the Urnes style".
Lens: Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR/6x7 1:4.5 75mm. Camera: Pentax 6x7 MLU. March 2011.
1/500 @ F6.7. Film: Ilford HP-5 Plus in ID-11.

Last edited by LaHo; 10-07-2014 at 09:40 AM.

tuco · 10-07-2014, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by LaHo

... first examples of military forces using bombarment against a civilian population in what we today would define as a war crime.

Today some call it collateral damage instead of war crimes.

LaHo · 10-07-2014, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by tuco

Today some call it collateral damage instead of war crimes.

Yes, sadly you are quite right. :-(

LesDMess · 10-07-2014, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by LaHo

Well, it isn't that old. Construction started in 1817, and the work was completed in 1829.
The British destroyed the old one and laid most of Copenhagen in ruins during the seige in 1807. The British also used Congreve Rockets, and over a thousand buildings were burned. They used the spire of the old Vor Frue Kirke as an aiming point. The British bombardment of Copenhagen killed some 195 civilians and injured 768 - and is one of the first examples of military forces using bombarment against a civilian population in what we today would define as a war crime.

I was going by the info at Copenhagen's Cathedral - Church of our Lady - Copenhagen Portal - Copenhagen Tourism< which states since 1209? However, it has been rebuilt a few times which is likely the reason for it looking newer. BTW, I defer to your firsthand knowledge!

Lauzi · 10-07-2014, 01:14 PM

Let's see, one of the reasons was that I am an amateur and was getting too lazy with my DSLR: autofocus, auto-aperture, auto this, auto that. I wasn't really learning enough.
Secondly I am more interested in B&W photography (due to my colour condition: not fully colour blind) and film still seems to be the best product to produce them without all the post-processing.
With all the post-processing nowadays and instragram, I'm not sure if I still dare to call myself a (amateur) photographer or a photoshopper (or just a photoshopographer).
And being nostalgic helps as well: all the old sounds of popping a film can, click open the camera, wind the film, crank and "click".

IHS · 10-07-2014, 03:25 PM

Wow...LaHo...Thanks so much. That's an amazing cathedral. I'd love to hear that pipe organ! Excellent shots from all those cameras...I hope to own a 6x7 some day. (and visit Copenhagen)

heydavemyers · 10-08-2014, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by IHS

Wow...LaHo...Thanks so much. That's an amazing cathedral. I'd love to hear that pipe organ! Excellent shots from all those cameras...I hope to own a 6x7 some day. (and visit Copenhagen)

I just bought a used Pentax 67 system with 5 lenses 2x converter and extension tubes. I'm just starting to shoot with it and it is awesome. A camera like this just feels "real." I'll shoot mostly black and white since I develop that myself. I just enjoy the process of photography in the old school method.

**Tony Belding** · 10-15-2014, 09:01 PM

I've expended a fair bit of time trying to figure out a method to post-process my digital photos and make them look more like film -- especially more like Ektar 100, because I love those colors. I got the DxO FilmPack 4, which can do some interesting things and can make some of my photos look better, but. . . It's still not the same. When I got the last set of film scans back, they looked wonderful. I didn't have to do anything to them. And I sort of scratched my chin and said, you know, Ektar 100 isn't that expensive. Processing isn't going to break me either.

I do find that 35mm film is effectively limited to about 6 MP scans. I can get higher resolution scans done, but they rarely reveal much more actual image detail. Hey, that's what medium format is for! I already have a very well-preserved Ricoh Diacord G here, and the photos from it are beautiful when I do my part, but it's rather tedious to use. So, I'm going for a Fuji GA645 next.

**ivanvernon** · 10-15-2014, 09:18 PM - **1 Like**

Why?

Several of my cameras just do not work without film.

10-07-2014, 08:50 AM	#156
LaHo Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Greater Copenhagen Area Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 430	Well, it isn't that old. Construction started in 1817, and the work was completed in 1829. The British destroyed the old one and laid most of Copenhagen in ruins during the seige in 1807. The British also used Congreve Rockets, and over a thousand buildings were burned. They used the spire of the old Vor Frue Kirke as an aiming point. The British bombardment of Copenhagen killed some 195 civilians and injured 768 - and is one of the first examples of military forces using bombarment against a civilian population in what we today would define as a war crime. Last edited by LaHo; 10-07-2014 at 08:55 AM.

10-07-2014, 10:18 AM	#160
LesDMess Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,235	Originally posted by LaHo Well, it isn't that old. Construction started in 1817, and the work was completed in 1829. The British destroyed the old one and laid most of Copenhagen in ruins during the seige in 1807. The British also used Congreve Rockets, and over a thousand buildings were burned. They used the spire of the old Vor Frue Kirke as an aiming point. The British bombardment of Copenhagen killed some 195 civilians and injured 768 - and is one of the first examples of military forces using bombarment against a civilian population in what we today would define as a war crime. I was going by the info at Copenhagen's Cathedral - Church of our Lady - Copenhagen Portal - Copenhagen Tourism< which states since 1209? However, it has been rebuilt a few times which is likely the reason for it looking newer. BTW, I defer to your firsthand knowledge! Last edited by LesDMess; 10-07-2014 at 10:29 AM.

10-07-2014, 03:25 PM	#162
IHS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 175	Wow...LaHo...Thanks so much. That's an amazing cathedral. I'd love to hear that pipe organ! Excellent shots from all those cameras...I hope to own a 6x7 some day. (and visit Copenhagen) Last edited by IHS; 10-07-2014 at 03:31 PM.

10-15-2014, 09:18 PM - 1 Like	#165
ivanvernon Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Medina, OH Photos: Albums Posts: 7,224	Why do you still do film? Why? Several of my cameras just do not work without film.

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10-06-2014, 10:49 AM - 1 Like	#151
LaHo Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Greater Copenhagen Area Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 430	Originally posted by stevebrot That is one of the nicest TLRs ever made. Cool camera. Steve Yes, it is :-)

10-06-2014, 02:34 PM	#152
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,089	Originally posted by LaHo " Why do you still do film?" Well, one reason is all the different formats and cameras out there. The whole spectrum is much wider than what digital has to offer: sub-miniture to medium format, large format and plate cameras, and so many types: box, folder, range finder, SLR, TLR, view camera, toy camera ... Recently I have been shooting with a Mamiya TLR from 1969 or thereabouts: The Church of Our Lady, Copenhagen, Denmark with the famous "Christus" scultupe by Bertel Thorvaldsen vaguely seen in the unsharp background. Camera: Mamiya C330 Professional Lens: 135mm F4.5 Exposure: 1/60 @ F4.5 Film: Kodak Tri-X 400 iso dev. in ID-11 1:3 Light meter: Gossen Profisix Great shot! Phil.

10-07-2014, 04:07 AM	#153
IHS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 175	^^^Sure is...I'd love to see more of that place. Thanks for sharing.

10-07-2014, 04:47 AM	#154
LaHo Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Greater Copenhagen Area Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 430	Originally posted by IHS ^^^Sure is...I'd love to see more of that place. Thanks for sharing. Thanks, well, here's one more from the Mamiya: Lens: 135mm F4.5 Exposure: 1/60 @ F4.5 Film: Kodak Tri-X 400 iso dev. in ID-11 1:3 Light meter: Gossen Profisix ... and one from the Pentax 645N from another visit in poorer light: Lens: smc Pentax-A 645 75mm F2.8 Exposure: 1/20 @F4.5 (handheld with support) Film: HP5+ dev. in ID-11 The Church of Our Lady (Danish: Vor Frue Kirke) is the cathedral of Copenhagen and the National Cathedral of Denmark. Bertel Thorvaldsen was commissioned to decorate the interior with statues of Christ and the apostles.

10-07-2014, 06:09 AM	#155
LesDMess Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,235	Originally posted by LaHo The Church of Our Lady (Danish: Vor Frue Kirke) is the cathedral of Copenhagen and the National Cathedral of Denmark. Bertel Thorvaldsen was commissioned to decorate the interior with statues of Christ and the apostles. At first I thought this was a "newer" church until I read more about its history. Thanks for posting these images as I enjoy these old churches.

10-07-2014, 09:00 AM	#157
LaHo Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Greater Copenhagen Area Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 430	As to old churches - this one is fairly old: Urnes Stave Church: Urnes stave church at Ornes in Sogn, Norway. Built AD 1100-50. Considered to be the oldest remaining stave church in Norway. The north portal - the wood carvings vaguely seen in the wall behind the white headstones - belonged to an older church that stood on the same spot and believed to be from around AD 1050. These carvings belong to a certain style that is internationally know as "the Urnes style". Lens: Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR/6x7 1:4.5 75mm. Camera: Pentax 6x7 MLU. March 2011. 1/500 @ F6.7. Film: Ilford HP-5 Plus in ID-11. Last edited by LaHo; 10-07-2014 at 09:40 AM.

10-07-2014, 09:28 AM	#158
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,024	Originally posted by LaHo ... first examples of military forces using bombarment against a civilian population in what we today would define as a war crime. Today some call it collateral damage instead of war crimes.

10-07-2014, 09:38 AM	#159
LaHo Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Greater Copenhagen Area Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 430	Originally posted by tuco Today some call it collateral damage instead of war crimes. Yes, sadly you are quite right. :-(

10-07-2014, 01:14 PM	#161
Lauzi New Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Louvain Photos: Albums Posts: 19	Let's see, one of the reasons was that I am an amateur and was getting too lazy with my DSLR: autofocus, auto-aperture, auto this, auto that. I wasn't really learning enough. Secondly I am more interested in B&W photography (due to my colour condition: not fully colour blind) and film still seems to be the best product to produce them without all the post-processing. With all the post-processing nowadays and instragram, I'm not sure if I still dare to call myself a (amateur) photographer or a photoshopper (or just a photoshopographer). And being nostalgic helps as well: all the old sounds of popping a film can, click open the camera, wind the film, crank and "click".

10-08-2014, 04:18 AM	#163
heydavemyers Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: southeast Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 29	Originally posted by IHS Wow...LaHo...Thanks so much. That's an amazing cathedral. I'd love to hear that pipe organ! Excellent shots from all those cameras...I hope to own a 6x7 some day. (and visit Copenhagen) I just bought a used Pentax 67 system with 5 lenses 2x converter and extension tubes. I'm just starting to shoot with it and it is awesome. A camera like this just feels "real." I'll shoot mostly black and white since I develop that myself. I just enjoy the process of photography in the old school method.

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10-15-2014, 09:01 PM	#164
Tony Belding Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Hamilton, Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 778	I've expended a fair bit of time trying to figure out a method to post-process my digital photos and make them look more like film -- especially more like Ektar 100, because I love those colors. I got the DxO FilmPack 4, which can do some interesting things and can make some of my photos look better, but. . . It's still not the same. When I got the last set of film scans back, they looked wonderful. I didn't have to do anything to them. And I sort of scratched my chin and said, you know, Ektar 100 isn't that expensive. Processing isn't going to break me either. I do find that 35mm film is effectively limited to about 6 MP scans. I can get higher resolution scans done, but they rarely reveal much more actual image detail. Hey, that's what medium format is for! I already have a very well-preserved Ricoh Diacord G here, and the photos from it are beautiful when I do my part, but it's rather tedious to use. So, I'm going for a Fuji GA645 next.