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01-04-2016, 10:58 AM   #1
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From 67 to 645 value

I have Pentax 67 with 3 lenses: 105, 160 f4, and 45.

Well, I've been using this camera for a year but I'm start thinking about using 645 because

- I don't need that huge size of film negative and file.
- Viewfinder is dark that 50% of pics are not focused well
- 645 have more attractive lenses like FA* 300mm, FA 80-160, FA 45-85, and etc
- Need to shoot more pics
- and etc

But I'm still not sure to move yet so I want to know the value for exchange or selling.

If I want to exchange for Pentax 645Nii with 45-85 or 80-160 and 75 f2.8, will it be possible?

01-04-2016, 12:05 PM   #2
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I can't speak of the resale value, but you could keep the lenses and use them on the 645 with this adapter (link), so all is not lost.
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If you were to sell your current kit and apply the funds toward the 645 kit you listed, you'd probably be more or less in the same ballpark. Your current lenses are worth $200-400 each, as is the body. The 645 N II can be had for $300-500, the 45-85mm for $400-800 (depending on condition), and the 75mm $150-250. YMMV but the Marketplace sold section is a great reference for recent going prices:

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Also, remember that 67 lenses can be adapted onto 645 bodies with no loss of functionality.

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01-04-2016, 12:46 PM   #4
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If you were to sell your current kit and apply the funds toward the 645 kit you listed, you'd probably be more or less in the same ballpark. Your current lenses are worth $200-400 each, as is the body. The 645 N II can be had for $300-500, the 45-85mm for $400-800 (depending on condition), and the 75mm $150-250. YMMV but the Marketplace sold section is a great reference for recent going prices:

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Also, remember that 67 lenses can be adapted onto 645 bodies with no loss of functionality.
Well 67 lenses are not worth it to use on 645 I think. Btw I bought the body and lens for $1000.

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In general, I've found that any change of equal value items usually results in me losing a bit because I'm the one that wants the change and therefore end up selling at the low end while paying the asking price on the higher end.

Your 3 primes for the 67 replaced by 2 zooms and a prime for a 645? The f/2.8 75mm prime you listed makes sense and is one of my favorite 645 lenses. Did you like your 45mm for the 67? The 45-85mm zoom won't give you the same wide angle on 645, and I'd highly recommend the 35mm prime. It's a gem and if I had to epoxy one lens onto my camera, it would be the 35mm. It will give you approximately the same FOV as the 45mm on the 67. On the long end, my only experience and advice is to avoid the 200mm prime. Other than IQ on the 200mm wide open at f/4 I find the viewfinder too dark and the zooms are going to have similar issues.
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Have you considered a new focusing screen for the 6x7? a new Maxwell screen will cost $325 plus labor to install (I'd have Eric do it).

I had a lot of focusing errors with a 6x6 camera and the Maxwell screen helped a lot. But what helped me more was a +2 diopter correction lens as my eyes have become worse as I've gotten older.
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Typically, you'll be able to get one manual 645 lens for the price of two 67 lenses. Those pesky 645z users have kept the used price quite high for 645 stuff - the 67 stuff is cheap by comparison.

I've used the 105 mounted onto a 645, it's a lens I'd put in the 'keep' pile. It's an awesome lens, and still the fastest option for 645.

The only problem is a 67 to 645 adapters. They are available new (Pentax), but cost about 400 last time I looked (absurd for what is nothing more than a metal ring).

At one point, fotodiax made a cheap version. *IF* you are lucky, you can sometimes find a good deal on a second hand one (I picked mine up when I saw an eBay BIN price of 20, and lept on it!). Otherwise, most prices tend to be 120 ish for a used adapter.

The 67 bodies tend to fetch more than the 645/645n bodies, assuming it has a ttl prism. which prism are you using by the way? And are we talking 6x7 or 67?

My honest opinion (having used both), is that the 67 delivers better quality, the 645 delivers really good quality, but it can't match the 67 IQ wise (I'm not saying it's bad, but if you've seen what the 67 can do, you'll never quite get the same feeling of 'super f**king nailed it' with the 645)

Of your lenses (I must admit I've not used the 160), but I'd probably flog the 45 first. It's an interesting wide angle lens, but the 35mm for the 645 is my preferred wide angle lens for film. It is also, one of the more expensive primes for 645.

A word about viewfinder darkness as well. I find the 6x7 TTL prism to be biggest brightest going. Followed by the 645n, then the original 645. I'm normally a prime shooter, but did end up with an 80-160 645 zoom with a recent purchase. It's dark. It's pretty rubbish compared to any of the primes I shoot with (I live in the UK, where it's dark six months of the year, if I lived in Sydney it might be alright).

Before deciding to jump to the 645, I'd suggest maybe:

1. Hunt for a cheap 645 adapter (this might take you a few months), and buy a cheap original 645 (which you could skip if it came with a 75mm). you can throw a few rolls at it with the 105, and see if it's better for you. If it isn't, you won't have lost any money reselling them.

2. If you find the 645 viewfinder better, something is wrong with your 67 prism or focussing screen. Possibly look at getting the 67 CLA'd?

What I would not do is ditch your 67 kit. Chances are, if you go for option 1, you'll have two bodies for your lenses; one body for high quality, another for 50% more frames; you won't get rid of either of them.
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FYI, I just bought this Fotodiox adapter for $80 shipped.

I hear you have to put flat black paint on the inner surfaces, so I spent another $7 on a flat black paint pen.

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Typically, you'll be able to get one manual 645 lens for the price of two 67 lenses. Those pesky 645z users have kept the used price quite high for 645 stuff - the 67 stuff is cheap by comparison.

I've used the 105 mounted onto a 645, it's a lens I'd put in the 'keep' pile. It's an awesome lens, and still the fastest option for 645.

The only problem is a 67 to 645 adapters. They are available new (Pentax), but cost about 400 last time I looked (absurd for what is nothing more than a metal ring).

At one point, fotodiax made a cheap version. *IF* you are lucky, you can sometimes find a good deal on a second hand one (I picked mine up when I saw an eBay BIN price of 20, and lept on it!). Otherwise, most prices tend to be 120 ish for a used adapter.

The 67 bodies tend to fetch more than the 645/645n bodies, assuming it has a ttl prism. which prism are you using by the way? And are we talking 6x7 or 67?

My honest opinion (having used both), is that the 67 delivers better quality, the 645 delivers really good quality, but it can't match the 67 IQ wise (I'm not saying it's bad, but if you've seen what the 67 can do, you'll never quite get the same feeling of 'super f**king nailed it' with the 645)

Of your lenses (I must admit I've not used the 160), but I'd probably flog the 45 first. It's an interesting wide angle lens, but the 35mm for the 645 is my preferred wide angle lens for film. It is also, one of the more expensive primes for 645.

A word about viewfinder darkness as well. I find the 6x7 TTL prism to be biggest brightest going. Followed by the 645n, then the original 645. I'm normally a prime shooter, but did end up with an 80-160 645 zoom with a recent purchase. It's dark. It's pretty rubbish compared to any of the primes I shoot with (I live in the UK, where it's dark six months of the year, if I lived in Sydney it might be alright).

Before deciding to jump to the 645, I'd suggest maybe:

1. Hunt for a cheap 645 adapter (this might take you a few months), and buy a cheap original 645 (which you could skip if it came with a 75mm). you can throw a few rolls at it with the 105, and see if it's better for you. If it isn't, you won't have lost any money reselling them.

2. If you find the 645 viewfinder better, something is wrong with your 67 prism or focussing screen. Possibly look at getting the 67 CLA'd?

What I would not do is ditch your 67 kit. Chances are, if you go for option 1, you'll have two bodies for your lenses; one body for high quality, another for 50% more frames; you won't get rid of either of them.
Well I never seen the results from 645.

prism is dark and focusing screen is hard to focus. Recomposing the scene is a scary job.
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Sunshine, the 645 cameras also have the standard matte focusing screen. They do however give you focus confirmation on the auto-focus bodies. I have a 67ii with a split image screen (as mentioned they are easily swapped on that model). I do find my 67II to be brighter than my 645n, someone else may speak to brightness of the 645nII. You could probably solve your focusing issue trading up to a 67II .

Here's a fun idea: If you think its hard to focus your 67, try your hand at large format, that will turn you into a pro

Since you said your not worried about the smaller negative, what it really comes down to is how much you want to spend solving the problem or switching systems. The 645 lenses will cost more, especially if you go for the newer FA lenses. Switching systems would allow you to shoot more frames per roll so it may be good for you in that respect. I would hang onto your 67 system if you try the 645, at least long enough to decide if the 645 is for you. Start out with a 645 and the 75mm before jumping all the way into a system switch.

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Sunshine, the 645 cameras also have the standard matte focusing screen. They do however give you focus confirmation on the auto-focus bodies. I have a 67ii with a split image screen (as mentioned they are easily swapped on that model). I do find my 67II to be brighter than my 645n, someone else may speak to brightness of the 645nII. You could probably solve your focusing issue trading up to a 67II .

Here's a fun idea: If you think its hard to focus your 67, try your hand at large format, that will turn you into a pro

Since you said your not worried about the smaller negative, what it really comes down to is how much you want to spend solving the problem or switching systems. The 645 lenses will cost more, especially if you go for the newer FA lenses. Switching systems would allow you to shoot more frames per roll so it may be good for you in that respect. I would hang onto your 67 system if you try the 645, at least long enough to decide if the 645 is for you. Start out with a 645 and the 75mm before jumping all the way into a system switch.
I wish to try out 645Nii but I can not just purchase it. FA* 300, FA 80-160, and FA 150 are what I really wanna use on 645 btw.

I did try large format camera. But pentax 67 is a SLR which does not require tripod for shooting unless you use higher aperture and lower iso.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sunshine7913 Quote
I have Pentax 67 with 3 lenses: 105, 160 f4, and 45.

Well, I've been using this camera for a year but I'm start thinking about using 645 because

- I don't need that huge size of film negative and file.
- Viewfinder is dark that 50% of pics are not focused well
- 645 have more attractive lenses like FA* 300mm, FA 80-160, FA 45-85, and etc
- Need to shoot more pics
- and etc

But I'm still not sure to move yet so I want to know the value for exchange or selling.

If I want to exchange for Pentax 645Nii with 45-85 or 80-160 and 75 f2.8, will it be possible?
My advise is for you to buy a 67II and sell your 67 body. That way you can keep your current 6x7 lenses and add a couple new focusing screens for the 67II.

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My advise is for you to buy a 67II and sell your 67 body. That way you can keep your current 6x7 lenses and add a couple new focusing screens for the 67II.

Phil.
Pentax 67ii is really expansive tho.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sunshine7913 Quote
Pentax 67ii is really expansive tho.
Do you want a medium format camera that shoots like a small format SLR? Is that what you're after?

I use a waist level finder on my 67. No problems with too dark a view finder and with the magnification it has you can achieve critical focus easier. But the shooting experience is not SLR-like anymore.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sunshine7913 Quote
Pentax 67ii is really expansive tho.
Yup, if you sell your 67 and get the 67II your looking at spending spending an extra $600 to upgrade, if you sell off your kit, and buy the 645nII kit you mentioned then you will probabbly spend an extra $900. A 645nII and a 75mm will cost much of the cost of a 67II alone. Which is why i mentioned cost in my last post. I believe previously you mentioned being a college student and raising funds for a trip last spring, If cost is a concern I would definitely advise staying to the 67 format as lenses are cheaper than 645. If you can afford it the 645 system that may be a better fit for you right now since you seem to want to shoot handheld and more frames. (the 67 is best suited as a tripod camera)

I mentioned large format in my last post to compare focusing as you should be able to focus the a slightly dark 67 matte screen easier than a large format. If your consistently out of focus it is more likely an issue with camera or lens, initially i would make sure your diopter is set properly as that would be the easiest culprit.

Being from NY you could watch B&H stock and go check out the 645nII next time they get one in.
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