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03-12-2016, 08:48 AM   #1
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What screw-mount camera would I buy if I wanted a Spotmatic F (or equivalent capability) the size of an ME? Is there any such beast? Certainly not in the Pentax stable, but perhaps Ricoh or Chinon built one?

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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
the size of an ME?
IIRC only equivalent-size manual bodies to me/mx was the OM1. Not sure if it takes screw mount with adaptor or not.
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There are some pretty petite fujica m42 bodies as well.

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Or of course you could just buy the bayonet adapter and use the lenses on the me itself.
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Maybe the Chinon CM-3...

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Boy, that goes back a long way. As I remember, back in the 70's, when I bought my ME, it was the smallest SLR available, just a hair smaller than the Olympus OM-1. The ME measured 131 x 82.5 x 49.5 mm (no lens mounted). MX was the same I think. For reference, the Spotmatic F was 143 x 93 x 94 mm with a 50 mm lens mounted.

That said, I hunted around a bit (i.e., googled smallest screw mount SLR) and found the Fujica ST605N, which measures 133 x 86 x 88 mm with 50 mm f/2.2 mounted; the Fujica is quite close in size. The Fujica is 565 g, body only, while the ME is 460 g. The Fujica has a Praktica thread mount, which is the M42 mount screw mount. The MX with a screw mount adaptor would be a manual film SLR smaller than the Spotmatic and slightly smaller than the Fujica.

As a nearly full-service replier, I note that there are a number of the Fujicas available on...an auction site I checked. None of them are mine.

EDIT: dcshooter was first-in with the Fujica. I type too much.

EDIT 2: the Chinon CM-3 is 140.5 x 88 x 50 mm and 610 g.

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Here you go... the ultimate M42 camera
Voigtlander Bessaflex TM
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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
Spotmatic F (or equivalent capability) the size of an ME?
Open aperture metering with SMC Takumar lenses? Spot F and ES are the only ones. SLRs didn't get small until the mid '70s. M series and Olympus OM.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Swift1 Quote
Here you go... the ultimate M42 camera
Voigtlander Bessaflex TM
Still not as small as a M-series body, but a little smaller than a Spotmatic.* Edit: I take that back! I don't know about height, but the Bessaflex base dimensions are in the same range as the M-series. Hard to find at a reasonable price point though If the OP wants a metered M42 body with small form factor, I would suggest an adapted M-series* or small-bodies Ricoh from the early 1980's. Any K-mount body that supports manual exposure or Av mode should work. Leave the adapter in the body and enjoy!

BTW...I would love to own a Bessaflex TM...in silver please.

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* Same form factor as my Bessa R3M

(Yes, the self-same ME mentioned in the original post should work, though a manual mode camera is a little easier to work with.)


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There are some pretty petite fujica m42 bodies as well.

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Or of course you could just buy the bayonet adapter and use the lenses on the me itself.
Yes, but then I Iose the benefit of the Spotmatic's automatic aperture - if not wide open metering, at least wide open focusing and shooting until the light changes and you have to re-meter (which in circumstances when you can use a thyristor flash is never; set the appropriate f-stop and never have to stop down).
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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
Yes, but then I Iose the benefit of the Spotmatic's automatic aperture - if not wide open metering, at least wide open focusing and shooting until the light changes and you have to re-meter (which in circumstances when you can use a thyristor flash is never; set the appropriate f-stop and never have to stop down).
Well then a Fujica or Bessaflex TM would be the most viable options.

EXC Voigtlander Bessa Bessaflex TM SLR Camera M42 Mount Silver Body from Japan 4002451194174 | eBay

Truth be told, I would probably lean towards a Fujica given the price range for the TM. The finish on the Bessaflex is not very robust from what I understand. Up until a few years ago, you could buy a TM NOS out of Singapore, but that stock has dried up.


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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
Yes, but then I Iose the benefit of the Spotmatic's automatic aperture - if not wide open metering, at least wide open focusing and shooting until the light changes and you have to re-meter (which in circumstances when you can use a thyristor flash is never; set the appropriate f-stop and never have to stop down).
If you do away with the meter entirely, the Pentax SV is closer in size to the M series.
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If you do away with the meter entirely, the Pentax SV is closer in size to the M series.
I was thinking the same thing.


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I looked in the database here - fractionally smaller only on paper. Maybe it feels better in the hand - I shall keep an eye out for one if I ever see it in the flesh, so to speak, and check out the handling.

Thyristor flash is the great leveller between Spotties and later bodies - no need to stop down to meter; just set the aperture, focus wide-open and go. Even an un-metered Asahi body can compete on level terms.
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I actually have a Fujica ST-705 that I'm not using if you'd be interested. It's just a tad larger than the 605 (133 x 91 x 88mm with standard lens) and only 20g heavier. Relubed and new seals, too. It's not ME petite, but it is a lot closer than your garden variety Spotty.
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I actually have a Fujica ST-705 that I'm not using if you'd be interested. It's just a tad larger than the 605 (133 x 91 x 88mm with standard lens) and only 20g heavier. Relubed and new seals, too. It's not ME petite, but it is a lot closer than your garden variety Spotty.
Sounds interesting. My day is about to get hectic, but I'll get back to you on that one via PM.
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