Originally posted by ll_coffee_lP I'm about as nostalgic about film as I am about cars with window cranks, rotary dial telephones, and running shoes made of canvas. The only good thing about film cameras over their digital counterparts were the wonderful viewfinders.
I mostly agree and I like your direct attitude (don't find it trolling at all). But consider some other factors. First, there are film sizes beyond 35mm. Unless you've got 50 grand I bet you're not ready to shoot medium format digital. And for some applications (landscape and aerial photography, frex) MF is the only game in town for those that want stuff on white gallery walls.
Film still has it all over digital in terms of highlight response, since the emulsion cushions the impact of over-exposed portions of the shot. This is analogous to how audio tape prevents digital clipping and instead rounds off the peak of the waveform.
But speaking of audio...
Originally posted by séamuis first and foremost its important to understand that modern recording and mastering techniques yield (due to ridiculous sound engineers and the like) much too sharp and piercing almost hollow records (for allot of people) compared to that of older techniques. second if you use quality turntables and keep your records in good shape they are just as (if not more) durable than your probably roughly handled CD's.
As a trained audio engineer I can tell you that you are confusing several different factors and that nostalgia for vinyl is simply that. I was there DJing in the eighties and saw the first prototype CD players, then the first commercial units (Nak), then the second generation, then the third. Let me tell you they sounded baaaaad (and not in a good meaning of "bad") which is what led to the prevailing myth among audiophiles about the superiority of analogue. But they improved, and I bought a Denon third gen unit.
Was this because I had a crap turntable system? No, I had a Linn setup and heard many other good systems, including one in which the interconnects (that's idiot speak for "cables") cost $30,000. It sounded very good. But not because of the cables, because that is witch doctor territory.
But overall vinyl sounds crap compared to the best digital can offer. You can't have highs since they're not encodable in the vinyl. The real low end is mono since otherwise the needle will jump out of the grooves. There's distortion everywhere. Yes, it's a nice distortion that people have learned to love. But it's still not part of the music.
Mastering is an incredible art. Those that brickwall limit every track produce horrible music, but that is irrespective of whether the delivery medium is analogue or digital.
Originally posted by jgredline We have both learned to become better photographers because of film....
Now there's some wisdom... family bonding over a productive activity that develops technical, artistic and communication skills. Bravo!