Fuji Film to be Discontinued

Helios 1984 · 06-13-2018, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by timw4mail

I'm sure the green stripes are a dead giveaway for Fujifilm, too.

The red capped ones might be rebadged Sakura ( the film brand name of Konica until 1987).

Last edited by Helios 1984; 06-13-2018 at 05:48 AM.

Helios 1984 · 06-13-2018, 07:06 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Alex645

Konica=Konishiroku: They even had a "baby film" that was designed to make the bluish purple color of newborns more "aesthetic" for the family.

All this talk, I think I'll grab few rolls of Konica on ebay. :-)

Eyewanders · 06-13-2018, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Helios 1984

Konica (Sakura) used to make C-41 films until 2006, they had a full lineup. There was also Solaris made by Ferrania, which I'm certain will make a comeback.

Solaris 100 is literally the one film I wish I'd discovered far, far sooner. Fell in love with the stuff immediately before the old stocks dried up everywhere.
Steve was kind enough trade with me for a couple rolls (white-labeled) a few years ago. I still have one left.

---------- Post added 06-13-18 at 01:42 PM ----------

Originally posted by Helios 1984

All this talk, I think I'll grab few rolls of Konica on ebay. :-)

If you can find some old Centuria Pro 400 in 120 or 220, let me know. Everything I don't quite like about Pro400H and Portra are solved by that stuff, for my tastes anyhow. Wish it were still around.

**ChrisPlatt** · 06-14-2018, 08:49 AM

Agfa Optima film was excellent. It was a C-41 color negative film.
It was their professional film, positioned above their consumer Vista line.

Chris

**Alex645** · 06-14-2018, 11:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Agfa Optima film was excellent. It was a C-41 color negative film.

Although all color negs were compatible with Kodak's C-41 processing, in my experience using CN-16 for Fujicolor, CNK-4 for Konica, or AP-70 for Agfa, gave slightly better results. (Scotch/3M was always a loser in this situation without their own chems and photographic paper).

When Kodak formulated C-22, which evolved into C-41, their tests were for and with Kodak emulsions. The other three processes are almost identical, but are slightly biased for their own emulsions.

Back in the 80's when I managed a lab, the owner at one point switched us from Kodak chems and papers to Fujifilm (less expensive). Suddenly we found it very difficult to get the same aesthetics and tech specs from Kodak negs. The Fujifilm, however, was looking better than ever.

In the U.S., I had always thought that Agfa had the least realistic palette and typically got funky prints....sometimes neat, sometimes horrible (like Instagram filters). It wasn't until I lived in Switzerland and took my Agfa film to a lab that used all Agfa chems and paper that I got excellent results.

I know they are all cross compatible, but from my experience, I either seek out a lab that's using the chems that match the brand of film I'm shooting, or I will shoot with film of the same brand as the chems (and/or paper) from that lab.

**Alex645** · 09-09-2018, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by timw4mail

Only Kodak and Fujifilm have ever introducted C-41 film, to my knowledge.

In the film era, Kodak had the monopoly with Fujifilm a distant second. But in the US there was 3M/Scotch, in Japan there was Konishiroku (Konica), and in Europe there was also Agfa. I believe all the other labels were repackaged from one of these five color negative makers.

MarkJerling · 09-09-2018, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Alex645

In the film era, Kodak had the monopoly with Fujifilm a distant second. But in the US there was 3M/Scotch, in Japan there was Konishiroku (Konica), and in Europe there was also Agfa. I believe all the other labels were repackaged from one of these five color negative makers.

In South Africa, Fuji had a big slice of the market. They even had a cheaper brand, Tudor, which was regular Fujifilm with different packaging. Rumour had it that Tudor did not have the sma quality control as Fuji, but I never saw any difference.

**Alex645** · 09-09-2018, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

In South Africa, Fuji had a big slice of the market. They even had a cheaper brand, Tudor, which was regular Fujifilm with different packaging. Rumour had it that Tudor did not have the sma quality control as Fuji, but I never saw any difference.

Kodak's "monopoly" was more of a global perspective. Of course in Asia, Fujifilm was king and in much of Europe, Agfa was a major player.

I remember the Tudor film in a purple and white canister. It usually said "Made in UK" but I'm pretty sure that was from the Fujifilm factory in Bedfordshire which still makes film today.

MarkJerling · 09-10-2018, 02:41 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Alex645

I remember the Tudor film in a purple and white canister. It usually said "Made in UK" but I'm pretty sure that was from the Fujifilm factory in Bedfordshire which still makes film today.

Interesting! By us they were clear canisters. I still have a whole heap of them. They come in handy for small screws from time to time!

**TomB_tx** · 09-10-2018, 05:38 AM - **1 Like**

As I recall, the 3-M films were actually made by Ferrania in Italy. A group is now trying to re-start film production there. FILM Ferrania

**Alex645** · 09-10-2018, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Interesting! By us they were clear canisters.

Originally posted by TomB_tx

As I recall, the 3-M films were actually made by Ferrania in Italy. A group is now trying to re-start film production there. FILM Ferrania

I wrote canisters....I meant the metal cassette had a white and purple label. Yes, clear canisters would make sense if they were repackaged Fujifilm.

3M made in Italy? Never knew that, but I only processed that film and never shot it myself, thus, never saw the box with the "Made in...." info.

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/List_of_discontinued_photographic_films

stevebrot · 09-10-2018, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by TomB_tx

As I recall, the 3-M films were actually made by Ferrania in Italy.

Yep! ~~At some point 3M started rebranding and if~~ it said "Made in Italy" on the box, it was Ferrania.

Edit: I did a little research and found that Ferrania was actually owned by 3M for several decades until about 1996. 3M was often rebranded as Ferrania and vice versa.

Steve

MarkJerling · 09-10-2018, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Alex645

I wrote canisters....I meant the metal cassette had a white and purple label. Yes, clear canisters would make sense if they were repackaged Fujifilm.

Aha! You know, for the life of me, I could not remember he colour of the negative roll / metal cassette!

womble · 09-12-2018, 08:48 AM

I almost exclusively shot slides or BW for many years, then got into digitial, and it was only when I started shooting more film again that I finally started using more colour print film by which time choices where limited. Mostly I've used Ektar and Portra, and some Fuji Pro 400H.

I shot slides for many years as part of my life involves giving lectures, and for a long time that meant having slides. With the rise of the dreaded powerpoint and data projectors that freed me up to use a wider range of colour films.

09-10-2018, 11:12 AM	#42
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by TomB_tx As I recall, the 3-M films were actually made by Ferrania in Italy. Yep! ~~At some point 3M started rebranding and if~~ it said "Made in Italy" on the box, it was Ferrania. Edit: I did a little research and found that Ferrania was actually owned by 3M for several decades until about 1996. 3M was often rebranded as Ferrania and vice versa. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 09-10-2018 at 11:27 AM.

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06-13-2018, 05:14 AM	#31
Helios 1984 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Saint-Constant, Québec Posts: 747	Originally posted by timw4mail I'm sure the green stripes are a dead giveaway for Fujifilm, too. The red capped ones might be rebadged Sakura ( the film brand name of Konica until 1987). Last edited by Helios 1984; 06-13-2018 at 05:48 AM.

06-13-2018, 07:06 AM - 1 Like	#32
Helios 1984 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Saint-Constant, Québec Posts: 747	Originally posted by Alex645 Konica=Konishiroku: They even had a "baby film" that was designed to make the bluish purple color of newborns more "aesthetic" for the family. All this talk, I think I'll grab few rolls of Konica on ebay. :-)

06-13-2018, 01:38 PM	#33
Eyewanders Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Land of the Salish Sea Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,343	Originally posted by Helios 1984 Konica (Sakura) used to make C-41 films until 2006, they had a full lineup. There was also Solaris made by Ferrania, which I'm certain will make a comeback. Solaris 100 is literally the one film I wish I'd discovered far, far sooner. Fell in love with the stuff immediately before the old stocks dried up everywhere. Steve was kind enough trade with me for a couple rolls (white-labeled) a few years ago. I still have one left. ---------- Post added 06-13-18 at 01:42 PM ---------- Originally posted by Helios 1984 All this talk, I think I'll grab few rolls of Konica on ebay. :-) If you can find some old Centuria Pro 400 in 120 or 220, let me know. Everything I don't quite like about Pro400H and Portra are solved by that stuff, for my tastes anyhow. Wish it were still around.

06-14-2018, 08:49 AM	#34
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,692	Agfa Optima film was excellent. It was a C-41 color negative film. It was their professional film, positioned above their consumer Vista line. Chris

06-14-2018, 11:23 AM - 1 Like	#35
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Agfa Optima film was excellent. It was a C-41 color negative film. Although all color negs were compatible with Kodak's C-41 processing, in my experience using CN-16 for Fujicolor, CNK-4 for Konica, or AP-70 for Agfa, gave slightly better results. (Scotch/3M was always a loser in this situation without their own chems and photographic paper). When Kodak formulated C-22, which evolved into C-41, their tests were for and with Kodak emulsions. The other three processes are almost identical, but are slightly biased for their own emulsions. Back in the 80's when I managed a lab, the owner at one point switched us from Kodak chems and papers to Fujifilm (less expensive). Suddenly we found it very difficult to get the same aesthetics and tech specs from Kodak negs. The Fujifilm, however, was looking better than ever. In the U.S., I had always thought that Agfa had the least realistic palette and typically got funky prints....sometimes neat, sometimes horrible (like Instagram filters). It wasn't until I lived in Switzerland and took my Agfa film to a lab that used all Agfa chems and paper that I got excellent results. I know they are all cross compatible, but from my experience, I either seek out a lab that's using the chems that match the brand of film I'm shooting, or I will shoot with film of the same brand as the chems (and/or paper) from that lab.

09-09-2018, 10:15 PM	#36
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by timw4mail Only Kodak and Fujifilm have ever introducted C-41 film, to my knowledge. In the film era, Kodak had the monopoly with Fujifilm a distant second. But in the US there was 3M/Scotch, in Japan there was Konishiroku (Konica), and in Europe there was also Agfa. I believe all the other labels were repackaged from one of these five color negative makers.

09-09-2018, 10:23 PM	#37
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by Alex645 In the film era, Kodak had the monopoly with Fujifilm a distant second. But in the US there was 3M/Scotch, in Japan there was Konishiroku (Konica), and in Europe there was also Agfa. I believe all the other labels were repackaged from one of these five color negative makers. In South Africa, Fuji had a big slice of the market. They even had a cheaper brand, Tudor, which was regular Fujifilm with different packaging. Rumour had it that Tudor did not have the sma quality control as Fuji, but I never saw any difference.

09-09-2018, 10:38 PM	#38
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by MarkJerling In South Africa, Fuji had a big slice of the market. They even had a cheaper brand, Tudor, which was regular Fujifilm with different packaging. Rumour had it that Tudor did not have the sma quality control as Fuji, but I never saw any difference. Kodak's "monopoly" was more of a global perspective. Of course in Asia, Fujifilm was king and in much of Europe, Agfa was a major player. I remember the Tudor film in a purple and white canister. It usually said "Made in UK" but I'm pretty sure that was from the Fujifilm factory in Bedfordshire which still makes film today.

09-10-2018, 02:41 AM - 1 Like	#39
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by Alex645 I remember the Tudor film in a purple and white canister. It usually said "Made in UK" but I'm pretty sure that was from the Fujifilm factory in Bedfordshire which still makes film today. Interesting! By us they were clear canisters. I still have a whole heap of them. They come in handy for small screws from time to time!

09-10-2018, 05:38 AM - 1 Like	#40
TomB_tx Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,446	As I recall, the 3-M films were actually made by Ferrania in Italy. A group is now trying to re-start film production there. FILM Ferrania

09-10-2018, 09:11 AM	#41
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by MarkJerling Interesting! By us they were clear canisters. Originally posted by TomB_tx As I recall, the 3-M films were actually made by Ferrania in Italy. A group is now trying to re-start film production there. FILM Ferrania I wrote canisters....I meant the metal cassette had a white and purple label. Yes, clear canisters would make sense if they were repackaged Fujifilm. 3M made in Italy? Never knew that, but I only processed that film and never shot it myself, thus, never saw the box with the "Made in...." info. https://wikivisually.com/wiki/List_of_discontinued_photographic_films

09-10-2018, 12:21 PM	#43
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by Alex645 I wrote canisters....I meant the metal cassette had a white and purple label. Yes, clear canisters would make sense if they were repackaged Fujifilm. Aha! You know, for the life of me, I could not remember he colour of the negative roll / metal cassette!

09-12-2018, 08:48 AM	#44
womble Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hertfordshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,324	I almost exclusively shot slides or BW for many years, then got into digitial, and it was only when I started shooting more film again that I finally started using more colour print film by which time choices where limited. Mostly I've used Ektar and Portra, and some Fuji Pro 400H. I shot slides for many years as part of my life involves giving lectures, and for a long time that meant having slides. With the rise of the dreaded powerpoint and data projectors that freed me up to use a wider range of colour films.