Originally posted by pentageek I second this. I had the same dilemma in the past, and I think you should decide whether you are going to use 645, or rather 67 (regardless actual make). Once you make your mind, it is going to be much easier to select the gear.
P.S. I decided to use Mamiya RB 67 for its rotating back and ability to change the film mid-roll.
I did think of going with mamiya, looked rb67 and rz67, but it was too big for me to take out and shoot. Then looked on mamiya 645 versions like 1000, pro tl version af, but found pentax 645/67 better for me.
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Originally posted by chickentender Yup.
Frankly, I think the 67 handles better, with the exception of film changes (though if you don't have a back pre-loaded at the ready and we're talking about actually loading the roll itself, then I'd actually say the 67 is a tad less "fiddly").
Coming from 35mm I realized I wouldn't use back change in between much.
Is it true film loading is not easy in 67?
Originally posted by chickentender It's also actually only marginally heavier and it's total volume in space I can't imagine is much more if not nearly the same. The proportions are obviously far different. When you start adding glass things certainly change, but since I shoot both I wound up nearly always taking 67 lenses and swapping which is what eventually led me to simply ditch the 645 glass. And for some reason I actually *prefer* 67 glass on the 645's... it just feels more balanced and the lens barrel is closer to the bottom of the camera body - just feels natural to me until you get up to something like the 300mm (and *maybe* the 165).
I am OK with the weigh to an extent, I have used heavier dslr like d4, 35mm like f4s with small and long lenses.
I am exploring using the 67 lenses on 645n with an adapter, but tell me, as I'm used to shoot between, 23-50 in 35mm size, which lenses to look for if I have to start with.
Also, should I have to go for the late model smc or super-takumar lenses?
Originally posted by chickentender They're really, once again, just drastically different in operation at every turn. I will say, that 10 frames sometimes feels limiting, so I'm always on the lookout for 220 deals.
I have to rely on 120 as no 220 in domestic market, I am comfortable with the 10 frames per roll against the quality of negatives I get.
Originally posted by chickentender But beyond that, I really only choose the 645 when I'm at an event for quicker shots, or "less expensive" shot, as it were.
What is that "less expensive" thing, like?
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Originally posted by abruzzi Yeah, I’m also still contemplating a 645 camera just to get 15/16 frames on a roll, and depending on the camera, to get something a little more portable. Shooting film has really helped me slow down my process compared to digital, but it’s still really easy to get to 10 and still think you want to take a few more shots.
I agree the 15/16 shots is good, but we get bigger negatives for 10 shots per roll.
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Originally posted by chickentender I'd like to augment my previous statement that the 67 handles better than the 645... I think that *now* after adding a custom right-side grip to my 67, and after shooting with the 67ii (which already has a right-hand grip). WithOUT a grip on these, the 645s do handle better. A barebones, sans grip 67 or 6x7 is a little awkward at first.
That said I personally *hate* the Pentax left-hand wooden-handled grip (with the flash mount). I find the camera even more awkward with one attached.
Some 35mm cameras I have shot has not proper hand grip (flat like 67) but am used to it.
But how difficult it is with 67?
67ii is expensive for me, looking on the late models of 67.
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Originally posted by johnha ...When I finally found one, it has become my most used camera for anything but holiday photos (I hardy used my K-5 since buying it).
I know I can't use the 67 like a 35mm but is it a camera to be used in streets? I also shoot events where I have to be dynamic and take up the shot. I do shoot lots of street, besides.
Originally posted by johnha ...ten frames is usually enough before I want to change film stock for a different approach
I strongly agree!