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10-20-2008, 02:00 PM   #31
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Thanks a lot for your answer, it is great how you take the time to really formulate these precise feedback.

So your third shot, of the buildings and the train, this is shot with Fuji Neopan Iso 1600 ?

Canít wait to try out some more films. In film camera, I just used the Black & White that could be processed on colour machines, but it really wasnít anything spectacular. Hence why I was so surprised when I recently picked up my first Tri-X film from the printers.

Iíll have a go at Ilford Delta or Fuji Neopan next time


And thanks for the additional info on Tri-X. If it has one extra 'free' stop to begin with, then a 400 film could be pushed 2 Ĺ stops, and just be developed at Iso 1600.



Every once and a while, I get fed up in the digital discussions of technicalities. It is great to come in here and get the load-down on real photography and experience from actual use.

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TechPan is not made anymore but there is the MACO/Rollei ATP v1.1 which is really awesome.

Also Tmax100 (as 50), Neopan ACROS (as 100), or Delta100 (as 100) develoiped in DDX or Xtol are very good. Both are "structured" grain which means that the size distribution of the silver grains is very uniform and that their shape is quite special (T-grain for kodak, sigma grain for Fuji, and epitaxial grain for Ilford)

QuoteOriginally posted by Jonson PL Quote
I'm also looking for some B&W film to use for Architecture shooting. I guess it should be fine grained, for high resolution. I saw the Clark vision site :
Clarkvision: Film versus Digital Summary

where he was mentioning Tech Pan and TMX. I don't know about them, or if they can still be bought. But I guess I should be using Iso 100 or slower.


Great photos Lithos, and fun discussion. I've lately tried out Tri-X and been very impressed. I haven't bumped it up yet, though.
I love the third shot. Could you tell more about the film used ? What does T-grain film mean ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by titrisol Quote
TechPan is not made anymore but there is the MACO/Rollei ATP v1.1 which is really awesome.

Also Tmax100 (as 50), Neopan ACROS (as 100), or Delta100 (as 100) develoiped in DDX or Xtol are very good. Both are "structured" grain which means that the size distribution of the silver grains is very uniform and that their shape is quite special (T-grain for kodak, sigma grain for Fuji, and epitaxial grain for Ilford)
Thanks, I'll pick up a Neopan or Delta, Iso 100; next time around .

What is the MACO/Rollei ATP v1.1 ?
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Is a high resolution, no-grain film.
It was developed to de a substitute of TechPan.
I liked what I got from 2 rolls I received as samples (including a developer)

Rollei ATP 1.1 film *new* : A successor (iso 32) film for the discontinued Technical Pan. Deliverable in 135-36, 120 roll film and on request bulk film (30,5m). With the clear PET layer with non-curling it's possible for an easy scan on high resolution. Suitable (low contrast) developers: R.L.C. (Rollei Low Contrast, document developer), ATP-DC low contrast developer for higher iso range (iso 25-40). Resolving power: 900 lp/mm 1000:1 till 300 lp/mm 1,6 :1 contrast. Sensitivity 370-700nm

I enlarged to 60x80 cm (as high as the enlarger goes) and in the grain focus device I could barely find any

A lot more info here: http://www.digitaltruth.com/products/rollei_atp.php
and somehow here: http://www.technical-pan.com/index_en.html mostly in german but site is very incomplete

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Thanks, I'll pick up a Neopan or Delta, Iso 100; next time around .

What is the MACO/Rollei ATP v1.1 ?



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QuoteOriginally posted by lithos Quote

You've got two kinds of film. Cubic grain - Tri-X, HP5+, Plus-X, FP4+, Pan-F+ - and T-grain (or whatever the manufacturer calls it) - Kodak's Tmax series, Ilford's Delta Series, Fuji's Neopan.

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Actually, Acros is the only neopan film that is tabular. Old Neopan 100, Neopan 400 and Neopan 1600 are all classic style emulsions
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QuoteOriginally posted by titrisol Quote
Is a high resolution, no-grain film.
It was developed to de a substitute of TechPan.
I liked what I got from 2 rolls I received as samples (including a developer)

Rollei ATP 1.1 film *new* : A successor (iso 32) film for the discontinued Technical Pan. Deliverable in 135-36, 120 roll film and on request bulk film (30,5m). With the clear PET layer with non-curling it's possible for an easy scan on high resolution. Suitable (low contrast) developers: R.L.C. (Rollei Low Contrast, document developer), ATP-DC low contrast developer for higher iso range (iso 25-40). Resolving power: 900 lp/mm 1000:1 till 300 lp/mm 1,6 :1 contrast. Sensitivity 370-700nm

I enlarged to 60x80 cm (as high as the enlarger goes) and in the grain focus device I could barely find any

A lot more info here: Rollei ATP Advanced Technical Pan ATP 1.1
and somehow here: ROLLEI ATP 1.1 mostly in german but site is very incomplete
Thanks for the links, and additional info. Gotta love dedicated specialist stores, just went into one yesterday and asked for this film. They had Tmax, Delta, Neopan Across, and he knew of this Rollei ATP v1.1, but they didnít have enough demand for it to carry it. Think Iíll later give it an order, from the sites you post. So much fun to try out different films. Particularly for someone with little PP experience, so my digital usually come out the same.



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Actually, Acros is the only neopan film that is tabular. Old Neopan 100, Neopan 400 and Neopan 1600 are all classic style emulsions
Thanks a lot, important info. First time around, I've now picked up the Ilford Delta 3200 . Just gotta finish the pushed Tri-X in my cam for now
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in rethinking about the OP's question why not split it into 2 parts. film and processing.

for the first part, get the slowest finest grain film you can get. that achieves part 1.

For part 2, why not either use variable contrast paper, (which requires a color enlarger) or scan the negs and adjust contrast in a computer for print.

the purist will use variable contrast paper, the techie will opt for a computer, but both will achieve the same thing.
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