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02-18-2020, 08:03 PM - 1 Like   #16
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Mine, Purchased new in 1978
Serial No 9302XXX


02-18-2020, 08:43 PM   #17
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QuoteOriginally posted by K-Three Quote
Mine, Purchased new in 1978
Serial No 9302XXX
I have three:
9188025 Silver - Engraved on rear of top cover
4327467 Black - Molded into the Memo Holder
4021824 Silver - Molded into the Memo Holder
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I have three:
9188025 Silver - Engraved on rear of top cover
4327467 Black - Molded into the Memo Holder
4021824 Silver - Molded into the Memo Holder
Oh my god, I feel so stupid. 🤦*♂️ It’s on the memo holder... for some asinine reason I thought that just meant the memo holder itself was made in Japan. Goodnight, PF, I’m sorry for wasting all of y’all’s time.
02-18-2020, 09:50 PM   #19
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QuoteOriginally posted by ChrisPlatt Quote
My SP1000 was made in Hong Kong.

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Do you have any more info on this? Does it say ‘Made in Hong Kong’ on the body somewhere?

I didn’t know any of the M42 Pentax’s were made outside of Japan?

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QuoteOriginally posted by ChrisPlatt Quote
My SP1000 was made in Hong Kong.

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AFAIK all the Honeywell SP1000's were of HK origin. However I have not come across a HK version outside the US. The SP1000 was the forefather of the K1000. Small quantities of the K1000 were assembled on the HK production line right from Series I.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Tool_Horder Quote
AFAIK all the Honeywell SP1000's were of HK origin. However I have not come across a HK version outside the US.
A quick survey of eBay listings shows a dearth of MIJ Honeywell versions and all Asahi versions being MIJ. As for the relationship to K1000...that makes sense except that the K1000 shares metering systems with the Spotmatic F. Rather than being of direct descent from the SP1000, I suspect that the K1000 was more of a parts bin camera when it was released in 1976.


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QuoteOriginally posted by nickthetasmaniac Quote
Does it say ‘Made in Hong Kong’ on the body somewhere?
"Assembled in Hong Kong" is stamped on the bottom cover of most (all?) Honeywell-branded examples with "Asahi Opt. Co." stamped on the top rear.


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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
In the very center of the camera back there is a 1 3/4” x 1 1/4” black metal frame* properly described as the Memo Holder...
I had a total brain freeze on the proper name and had to keep revisiting the thread to see if it was mentioned.

I have two with the memo holder label, 403 and 408something.
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
"Assembled in Hong Kong" is stamped on the bottom cover of most (all?) Honeywell-branded examples with "Asahi Opt. Co." stamped on the top rear.


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Huh, that’s interesting. To be fair, I’ve never actually seen a Honeywell branded Pentax, there’s not so many in Australia...
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Mine has both - card holder and body. Serial 9476885 owned from new since 1979, used and abused around the world and still going strong (apart from hot-shoe x sync...)
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QuoteOriginally posted by phoebus Quote
Mine has both - card holder and body. Serial 9476885 owned from new since 1979, used and abused around the world and still going strong (apart from hot-shoe x sync...)
There’s a post on PentaxUser by Kim C (Kim Coxon of Pentax-Manuals.com fame) from 2005 that guesses there were two MX batches (9xxxxxx series and 4xxxxxx series) and that Pentax probably used up the existing supply of square black metal frames from the K cameras on early M cameras before changing over to the plastic Memo Holders. In your case they might have had some engraved top covers on hand before changing to the non-engraved version, so maybe sort of a transition body. Pretty cool.

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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
A quick survey of eBay listings shows a dearth of MIJ Honeywell versions and all Asahi versions being MIJ. As for the relationship to K1000...that makes sense except that the K1000 shares metering systems with the Spotmatic F. Rather than being of direct descent from the SP1000, I suspect that the K1000 was more of a parts bin camera when it was released in 1976.


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Although related to the Hong Kong / Japan origin original subject This is getting a little of topic from the original thread, but
Study the SP1000 & where does its chassis/ / shutter mechanism / light meter casting originate from? Although I have not looked at the SP1000 light meter circuit in many years I am very confident in saying that it is the same as the SPF as the SP1000 was released after the SPF . I went to the SP1000 as I was replying to a post from LesDMess & Chris,s post. The SP1000 is the nearest screw mount predecessor of similar specifications to the K1000.To be technically correct the K1000 is immediately based on the KM. Trace back the chassis casting / shutter mechanism / light meter on the KM & where does that originate from? -> -> -> -> Spotmatic. There is only a few times in the Pentax timeline (mechanical mechanism era ) where significant changes were made from the previous camera manufacturing process. Most bodies were simply minor improvements / changes from the previous model.

I come across the SP1000 - Honeywell/ Hong Kong - Asahi/Japan connection many years ago in my very early years of completing my collection & studying the K1000 time line. I eventually give up on finding HK assembled version of the Asahi branded SP1000 after a couple of years. I just did another Ebay search for Honeywell SP1000's & there currently is 1 listed that is Japan origin. The first Honneywell I have seen with Japan origin. It has been a bit of a traveller. I would guess Honeywell brand (US origin), Stickers inside camera suggest Italy?, currently being sold in the UK.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Tool_Horder Quote
lthough I have not looked at the SP1000 light meter circuit in many years I am very confident in saying that it is the same as the SPF as the SP1000 was released after the SPF .
The difference is that the meter on the SP F is on all the time with the same light-based switching circuitry as in the KM and K1000.

QuoteOriginally posted by Tool_Horder Quote
To be technically correct the K1000 is immediately based on the KM.
...and the KM's direct ancestor is the SP F.


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My favorite MX seems to be a odd one, doesn't have Japan written anywhere, ser# 923xxxx


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For reference, mine:
Chrome body
SN# 423xxxx
No stamping on the top plate, plastic memo holder with moulded country of origin

Perhaps as repairs are made there are bits of different bodies mixed and matched as needed.
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