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07-08-2009, 10:01 PM   #16
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Well, I'm still wondering if the Pentax AF bodies provide an electronic focus verification when used with MF lenses, which I have plenty of. My F4 has a conspicuous green LED that lights up when focus is achieved. I have a Program Plus, ME, and ME Super already. My wife is too blind to manually focus but perhaps she could limp along with an electronic focus indicator and MF lens until I can afford a AF lens.

Are AF primes rare or something? All I seem to find in Pentax AF lenses are slow zooms.
The MZ-3 does for sure. That's the only one I can verify personally. The primes are not rare. It depends on which ones you are looking for. Have you looked in the Market Place? Many show up there.

Edit: The MZ-3 and MZ-5n have the largest viewfinder among the Pentax AF film bodies.


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Yes, there is focus confirmation with the AF bodies (MZ-7 and MZ-L at least), personally I just find it easier to focus manually with an ME super than a MZ+focus confirmation.

If you want to go MZ I personally recommend getting AF lenses instead. This is just me, of course, as I know many people use the focus confirmation just fine.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
Edit: The MZ-3 and MZ-5n have the largest viewfinder among the Pentax AF film bodies.
that's what the specs say, but when i compared MZ-S to MZ-5n, MZ-S looks bigger. the problem w/ the lower MZ cameras is that the stupid info display juts into the viewfinder screen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by k100d Quote
that's what the specs say, but when i compared MZ-S to MZ-5n, MZ-S looks bigger. the problem w/ the lower MZ cameras is that the stupid info display juts into the viewfinder screen.
The magnification is still going to be more. You would really have to do a micrometer set similar to measure something under a stereoscope to get an accurate measurement.

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The ergonomics is one data set that is hard to measure and ultimately comes down to feel on an individual basis. However, here is a comparison of the smallest AF film bodies, K-mount manual focus bodies, the behemoth K2 for reference of the biggest, and the K200d, K-m and K20d for behemoth of the dSLR.

Model L x h x depth at weight viewfinder mag [coverage]

  1. *ist 122 x 84 x 63.5 mm at 335 grams .7x [90%]
  2. MZ-3 135 x 90 x 61.5 mm at 410 grams .8x [92%]
  3. MZ-5n 135 x 90 x 61.5 mm at 410 grams .8x [92%]
  4. MZ-s 136.5 x 95 x 64 mm at 520 grams .75x [92%]
  5. MZ-L(=MZ-6) 135.5 x 92 x 63 mm at 385 grams .7x [92%]
  6. SuperProg.(=SuperA) 131 x 86.5 x 47.5 mm at 490 grams .82x [92%]
  7. ME Super 131.5 x 83 x 49.5 mm at 445 Grams .95x [95%]
  8. ME F 134.4 x 89.1 x 52 mm at 480 grams .95x [95%]
  9. MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3 mm at 595 grams .97x [95%]
  10. K2 144 x 92 x 57 mm at 680 grams .88x [95%]
  11. K200d 133.5 x 95 x 74 at 630 grams .85x [96%]
  12. K-m 122.5 x 91.5 x 67.5 at 520 grams .85x [96%]
  13. K20d 141.5 x 101 x 70 at 715 grams .95x [95%]

Note: remember when comparing viewfinder coverage that the digital bodies have the aps-c sensor.

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QuoteOriginally posted by BetterSense Quote
Are AF primes rare or something? All I seem to find in Pentax AF lenses are slow zooms.
what focal lengths are you looking for
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I mostly just use normal lenses, and occasionally mild wide-angles.

I don't have a camera right now, though. The *ist seems to be the smallest but I can't find one of those anywhere. The next-smallest MZ-5n can be found but I haven't found a great deal yet....$100 is about all I can spend...I wanted to buy Woof's MZ-5n, but I think he sold it cause he didn't respond to my PM. And then I need a lens. All the AF lenses on keh are $300+ which is way out of the budget. But I suppose I could use my MF lenses for a while at least.
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keep an eye out on MZ-6's and 7's, they're good cameras too but worse viewfinders like Blue has pointed out.

if you want normals, the FA50 usually goes for less than $200 in the marketplace.

edit: check out my thread here too https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-film-slr-discussion/44525-hands-co...6-vs-mz-s.html

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Is there a big difference between the MZ-5n and the MZ-5?
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most obvious is the 5n has AE Lock where the 5 has a Spot AF button IIRC
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I bought my wife an N75. She likes it and it is small enough for her and I have an AF-Nikkor lens for it. However I also bought a a MZ-5 just now. I forgot that there was a difference between the MZ-5 and MZ-5n; I hope I don't wish I had bought the n model. What features did I miss out on? I don't much care about DOF preview. I don't have any AF pentax lenses right now either, so I'll be looking for a cheap one.
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QuoteOriginally posted by BetterSense Quote
I bought my wife an N75. She likes it and it is small enough for her and I have an AF-Nikkor lens for it. However I also bought a a MZ-5 just now. I forgot that there was a difference between the MZ-5 and MZ-5n; I hope I don't wish I had bought the n model. What features did I miss out on? I don't much care about DOF preview. I don't have any AF pentax lenses right now either, so I'll be looking for a cheap one.
There isn't as much difference between the MZ-5 and 5n as there is between the 5n and MZ-3.
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There isn't as much difference between the MZ-5 and 5n as there is between the 5n and MZ-3.
These three are very similar. The MZ-3 is basically identical to a MZ-5n except it has a 1/4000 (X-1/125) shutter instead of 1/2000 (X-1/100). The MZ-5 looks slightly different (meter mode switch is on left side of top deck), drive mode is by shutter release, has no depth-of-field preview, and no bracketing, and I think there was a button for 'spot AF' rather than a switch.
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QuoteOriginally posted by AndrewG NY Quote
These three are very similar. The MZ-3 is basically identical to a MZ-5n except it has a 1/4000 (X-1/125) shutter instead of 1/2000 (X-1/100). The MZ-5 looks slightly different (meter mode switch is on left side of top deck), drive mode is by shutter release, has no depth-of-field preview, and no bracketing, and I think there was a button for 'spot AF' rather than a switch.
There are actually more differences than 1/4000 vs 1/2000 shutter speed. However, that required changes to the printed circuit and improvement to the AF hence supposedly faster AF.
MZ-3- Energy Saving motor MZ-5n- Standard Motor
SAFOX 4.1a = MZ-3 and SAFOX 4.0 = MZ-5/10/5N
Improved mirror box
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Not my auction, but if anyone's looking:

Title: Pentax *IST 35mm Film Camera with Battery Grip - eBay (item 220464330492 end time Aug-18-09 10:41:17 PDT)
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