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09-08-2009, 06:15 AM   #1
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same scene / two film cameras






One is with the ES-II, S-M-C Takumar 3.5 / 28mm, HP5+ developed in Ilfosol-S.
The other is with the Voigtlander Bessa 1, Vaskar 105mm, Tri-X developed in D76.

The main intent here is to show the advantages of a big 6x9 medium format negative.

Neither photo is the best I could have produced - the cable release I had with me was a broken one ... As far as I recall the Bessa was on a travel tripod, while I leaned the ES-II on a rock.

09-08-2009, 08:35 AM   #2
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Nice shots Nesster! I like the contrast in the second picture the best. Did you use a filter on either shot?

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Nice shots, but I'm sure tiny scans viewed on a screen is not the best way to see the differences! I just developed a roll I shot in one of the junker 6x9s I bought. Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow after it's dried to see what the shots actually look like.

Man, I'd like an ES or ES-II for all my M42 lenses.
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Thanks - yep, definite drawbacks to using the net.

No filters

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Great work. I prefer the second shot as well.
(Looks like the framing is not quite the same, at the top)
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Yes, thanks - the top one is the wide angle 28mm - the other diff between the two is I closed the Vaskar down past f/11, while keeping the 28 at 8 or 11.
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It's interesting that the Hp5+ seems a lot warmer tone wise compared to the Tri-X. I don't think I've really had that same experience, though I develop both in hc-110. Any thoughts on this?
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I notice Ilfosol-s, when I'm pouring it out of the tank after it's done its thing, is slightly yellow. With other films as well.

In post processing, I just went with the tendency of the scan, I could have desaturated but chose not to.

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Yes, thanks - the top one is the wide angle 28mm - the other diff between the two is I closed the Vaskar down past f/11, while keeping the 28 at 8 or 11.
What does the Vaskar 105 mm, with 6x9 negative, equate to in 35mm film-format ?
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It's about a 43mm lens...hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle with opposite side of 90mm and adjacent side of 60 equals...108mm.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
The main intent here is to show the advantages of a big 6x9 medium format negative.
I don't mean to sound snide or flame your post but image quality verses negative size has been known for the last, say, 100 years?

But it's a good reminder since so many people don't even know a format other than 35mm exists and why you'd shoot it. I get that deer-in-headlight stare often from people when I shoot my 6x7 or 4x5.
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QuoteOriginally posted by tuco Quote
I don't mean to sound snide or flame your post but image quality verses negative size has been known for the last, say, 100 years?
In this film forum, we like to discuss real photography; and I like seeing samples of it, as we have the likes of Nesster and others, who are very capable.

As most of my nature photography is done with wide-angle, I really like to see what people can come up with in normal/tele range, as it is very inspiring.

Great gallery shots of yours, BTW
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I think it also ably demonstrates Tri-X extra stop of latitude versus HP5.
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