One for the film users...

stevebrot · 01-06-2010, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Portland Pete

...but have a great local camera shop that caters to older cameras and still uses optical enlargers to print. Thanks.

Welcome to the forum Pete. It is always good to see another local boy here. (I am assuming that you are Portland, Oregon and not Portland, Maine.) What shop is it that you are using? Blue Moon?

Steve

keyser · 01-06-2010, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by brkl

My Program Plus has the loudest shutter out of any of my cameras. Louder than my Mamiya 645. Unfortunately I don't like loud shutters

Wow, stay away from the Ricoh KR-10 then; mine has a shutter that sounds like a sword fight - KERCHINK!

The SuperProgram is quite loud, but they all were in the early eighties.

Steve Beswick · 01-06-2010, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by titrisol

The Program Plus and the Super P are nice cameras, however the display needs light to see the sppeds/apertures.
Anyone has been brvae enough to hack it and put a LED in the top cover so that there is enough light?

The super program has a built in light for the LCD. I don't know if the program plus does.

Sluggo · 01-06-2010, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Steve Beswick

The super program has a built in light for the LCD. I don't know if the program plus does.

It (the Program Plus) doesn't. Unfortunately neither does my Super Program, for practical purposes anyway - the switch (lower left side of the lens mount) seems to be corroded or something. If I jam on it hard with my pinky tip I can make the backlight flicker a little, but pressing the button with normal force does nothing.

Does anyone know a good way to clean that switch? I don't see an obvious way to get it apart, so maybe what's needed is the appropriate tuner spray applied from the outside, and just working the switch a lot. Haven't tried anything on it yet.

patrickhh · 01-06-2010, 01:40 PM

The problem with Pentax LX MLU is that it can't be coupled with the self-timer. It is a somewhat sub-optimal design IMHO

You have to use a cable release to have full benefit from MLU. When I shoot from a tripod with the LX, I use the self timer instead, because a cable release is too much hassle for me. YMMV...

brkl · 01-06-2010, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by keyser

Wow, stay away from the Ricoh KR-10 then; mine has a shutter that sounds like a sword fight - KERCHINK!

The SuperProgram is quite loud, but they all were in the early eighties.

OK, to be fair, I used the Mamiya 645 Super today and it's louder. But still, the Program Plus is loud.

stevebrot · 01-06-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by keyser

Wow, stay away from the Ricoh KR-10 then; mine has a shutter that sounds like a sword fight - KERCHINK!

The SuperProgram is quite loud, but they all were in the early eighties.

The original KR-10 had the the Copal CCS-E. My XR-2s has the same shutter and I can confirm that it is the loudest of any of my film bodies. It is even louder than the Copal Square S in my Singlex TLS! If it is any consolation, the CCS-E is a very sturdy unit and was state of the art at the time. Similar shutters were spec'ed for Nikon and Konica bodies of the same vintage (e.g. Nikon FM, Konica Auto-Reflex T4). These also share the reputation for being loud!

Ricoh later moved to a fully electronic Seiko shutter that is much quieter. I was under the impression that Pentax used the same unit on the electronic M and A series cameras.

Steve

BTW...for some reason, my KX also has a loud shutter. That really surprised me, it being horizontal run with a rubberized cloth curtain...

goddo31 · 01-06-2010, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the replies and the interesting discussion guys.

In regards to the viewfinder LCD on the Super Program, I do find it is a bit hard to see at times. IMO the light (which works on my body, for now) doesn't help me that much, and you have to make sure your eye is at the right angle to see the LCD. Still useful though. An LED modification would be nice, but I'm certainly not brave enough at this stage

Steve - Could the loud shutter on the KX have more to do with the mirror?

stevebrot · 01-06-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by goddo31

Thanks for the replies and the interesting discussion guys.

In regards to the viewfinder LCD on the Super Program, I do find it is a bit hard to see at times. IMO the light (which works on my body, for now) doesn't help me that much, and you have to make sure your eye is at the right angle to see the LCD. Still useful though. An LED modification would be nice, but I'm certainly not brave enough at this stage

Steve - Could the loud shutter on the KX have more to do with the mirror?

It might, though it was CLA'd by Eric with replacement of all foam and seals just this last spring. I suppose I could run downstairs and try it with the mirror locked up, but it is currently loaded with Kodachrome (too precious to waste). I will have to give it a try later.

Steve

fearview · 01-06-2010, 08:33 PM

from time to time .. seem to me superprogram drawing a lot attention from me..

the black one especially.

i still thinking its have the longest name in camera history?
.

goddo31 · 01-06-2010, 08:57 PM

Hi fearview, yeah every time I type out 'Super Program' I think about how it's a long name compared to 'KX' or something like that

By the black one, do you mean the Super A? I didn't think the Super Program was made in black, only silver/black like in my photos... I suppose they are basically the same camera anyway.?

Steve - I wouldn't waste that Kodachrome just for curiousity

Perhaps doing the foam and seals on my Super Program will quiet it down a little bit, I think they are the original ones (in ok/good condition mind you).

cheers,

fearview · 01-06-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by goddo31

Hi fearview, yeah every time I type out 'Super Program' I think about how it's a long name compared to 'KX' or something like that

By the black one, do you mean the Super A? I didn't think the Super Program was made in black, only silver/black like in my photos... I suppose they are basically the same camera anyway.?

Steve - I wouldn't waste that Kodachrome just for curiousity

Perhaps doing the foam and seals on my Super Program will quiet it down a little bit, I think they are the original ones (in ok/good condition mind you).

cheers,

yeah. my mistake. for didnt specify it completely. Super Program was sold in international market and japanese market under name SuperA right?

i think i was refers into that .. sorry.

and they availble in black indeed.

by the way. nice and neat camera. congratulation.
.

Portland Pete · 01-06-2010, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Welcome to the forum Pete. It is always good to see another local boy here. (I am assuming that you are Portland, Oregon and not Portland, Maine.) What shop is it that you are using? Blue Moon?

Steve

Yes to both. Being a life long North Portland resident, I love Blue Moon. The staff, atmosphere, and selection of interesting stuff make it worth the price premium over ebay any day.

goddo31 · 01-07-2010, 07:45 AM

fearview - Yes I think you are correct about the Super Program and SuperA.
Thanks - I would like to see your black SuperA/Super Program too.

cheers,

stevebrot · 01-07-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Portland Pete

Yes to both. Being a life long North Portland resident, I love Blue Moon. The staff, atmosphere, and selection of interesting stuff make it worth the price premium over ebay any day.

Blue Moon is a little out of the way for me, but they are definitely good people. They do my Ektar 100 processing sub'ed out through Knight Camera in Vancouver. Knight is a pretty cool place as well. They do mostly camera repair, but have a ton of vintage 35mm stuff and a "magic box" full of cases, straps, and other weird things.

Steve

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01-06-2010, 08:58 AM	#16
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Portland Pete ...but have a great local camera shop that caters to older cameras and still uses optical enlargers to print. Thanks. Welcome to the forum Pete. It is always good to see another local boy here. (I am assuming that you are Portland, Oregon and not Portland, Maine.) What shop is it that you are using? Blue Moon? Steve

01-06-2010, 10:53 AM	#17
keyser Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tsawwassen, BC Posts: 376	Originally posted by brkl My Program Plus has the loudest shutter out of any of my cameras. Louder than my Mamiya 645. Unfortunately I don't like loud shutters Wow, stay away from the Ricoh KR-10 then; mine has a shutter that sounds like a sword fight - KERCHINK! The SuperProgram is quite loud, but they all were in the early eighties.

01-06-2010, 12:42 PM	#18
Steve Beswick Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario, California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,736	Originally posted by titrisol The Program Plus and the Super P are nice cameras, however the display needs light to see the sppeds/apertures. Anyone has been brvae enough to hack it and put a LED in the top cover so that there is enough light? The super program has a built in light for the LCD. I don't know if the program plus does.

01-06-2010, 01:18 PM	#19
Sluggo Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ames, Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 774	Originally posted by Steve Beswick The super program has a built in light for the LCD. I don't know if the program plus does. It (the Program Plus) doesn't. Unfortunately neither does my Super Program, for practical purposes anyway - the switch (lower left side of the lens mount) seems to be corroded or something. If I jam on it hard with my pinky tip I can make the backlight flicker a little, but pressing the button with normal force does nothing. Does anyone know a good way to clean that switch? I don't see an obvious way to get it apart, so maybe what's needed is the appropriate tuner spray applied from the outside, and just working the switch a lot. Haven't tried anything on it yet.

01-06-2010, 01:40 PM	#20
patrickhh Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hamburg Posts: 70	The problem with Pentax LX MLU is that it can't be coupled with the self-timer. It is a somewhat sub-optimal design IMHO You have to use a cable release to have full benefit from MLU. When I shoot from a tripod with the LX, I use the self timer instead, because a cable release is too much hassle for me. YMMV...

01-06-2010, 01:41 PM	#21
brkl Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 497	Originally posted by keyser Wow, stay away from the Ricoh KR-10 then; mine has a shutter that sounds like a sword fight - KERCHINK! The SuperProgram is quite loud, but they all were in the early eighties. OK, to be fair, I used the Mamiya 645 Super today and it's louder. But still, the Program Plus is loud.

01-06-2010, 05:00 PM	#22
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by keyser Wow, stay away from the Ricoh KR-10 then; mine has a shutter that sounds like a sword fight - KERCHINK! The SuperProgram is quite loud, but they all were in the early eighties. The original KR-10 had the the Copal CCS-E. My XR-2s has the same shutter and I can confirm that it is the loudest of any of my film bodies. It is even louder than the Copal Square S in my Singlex TLS! If it is any consolation, the CCS-E is a very sturdy unit and was state of the art at the time. Similar shutters were spec'ed for Nikon and Konica bodies of the same vintage (e.g. Nikon FM, Konica Auto-Reflex T4). These also share the reputation for being loud! Ricoh later moved to a fully electronic Seiko shutter that is much quieter. I was under the impression that Pentax used the same unit on the electronic M and A series cameras. Steve BTW...for some reason, my KX also has a loud shutter. That really surprised me, it being horizontal run with a rubberized cloth curtain...

01-06-2010, 07:23 PM	#23
goddo31 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,576 Original Poster	Thanks for the replies and the interesting discussion guys. In regards to the viewfinder LCD on the Super Program, I do find it is a bit hard to see at times. IMO the light (which works on my body, for now) doesn't help me that much, and you have to make sure your eye is at the right angle to see the LCD. Still useful though. An LED modification would be nice, but I'm certainly not brave enough at this stage Steve - Could the loud shutter on the KX have more to do with the mirror?

01-06-2010, 08:27 PM	#24
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by goddo31 Thanks for the replies and the interesting discussion guys. In regards to the viewfinder LCD on the Super Program, I do find it is a bit hard to see at times. IMO the light (which works on my body, for now) doesn't help me that much, and you have to make sure your eye is at the right angle to see the LCD. Still useful though. An LED modification would be nice, but I'm certainly not brave enough at this stage Steve - Could the loud shutter on the KX have more to do with the mirror? It might, though it was CLA'd by Eric with replacement of all foam and seals just this last spring. I suppose I could run downstairs and try it with the mirror locked up, but it is currently loaded with Kodachrome (too precious to waste). I will have to give it a try later. Steve

01-06-2010, 08:33 PM	#25
fearview Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Jakarta Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,067	from time to time .. seem to me superprogram drawing a lot attention from me.. the black one especially. i still thinking its have the longest name in camera history? .

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01-06-2010, 08:57 PM	#26
goddo31 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,576 Original Poster	Hi fearview, yeah every time I type out 'Super Program' I think about how it's a long name compared to 'KX' or something like that By the black one, do you mean the Super A? I didn't think the Super Program was made in black, only silver/black like in my photos... I suppose they are basically the same camera anyway.? Steve - I wouldn't waste that Kodachrome just for curiousity Perhaps doing the foam and seals on my Super Program will quiet it down a little bit, I think they are the original ones (in ok/good condition mind you). cheers,

01-06-2010, 09:37 PM	#27
fearview Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Jakarta Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,067	Originally posted by goddo31 Hi fearview, yeah every time I type out 'Super Program' I think about how it's a long name compared to 'KX' or something like that By the black one, do you mean the Super A? I didn't think the Super Program was made in black, only silver/black like in my photos... I suppose they are basically the same camera anyway.? Steve - I wouldn't waste that Kodachrome just for curiousity Perhaps doing the foam and seals on my Super Program will quiet it down a little bit, I think they are the original ones (in ok/good condition mind you). cheers, yeah. my mistake. for didnt specify it completely. Super Program was sold in international market and japanese market under name SuperA right? i think i was refers into that .. sorry. and they availble in black indeed. by the way. nice and neat camera. congratulation. .

01-06-2010, 11:01 PM	#28
Portland Pete Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oregon Photos: Albums Posts: 144	Originally posted by stevebrot Welcome to the forum Pete. It is always good to see another local boy here. (I am assuming that you are Portland, Oregon and not Portland, Maine.) What shop is it that you are using? Blue Moon? Steve Yes to both. Being a life long North Portland resident, I love Blue Moon. The staff, atmosphere, and selection of interesting stuff make it worth the price premium over ebay any day.

01-07-2010, 07:45 AM	#29
goddo31 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,576 Original Poster	fearview - Yes I think you are correct about the Super Program and SuperA. Thanks - I would like to see your black SuperA/Super Program too. cheers,

01-07-2010, 04:31 PM	#30
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Portland Pete Yes to both. Being a life long North Portland resident, I love Blue Moon. The staff, atmosphere, and selection of interesting stuff make it worth the price premium over ebay any day. Blue Moon is a little out of the way for me, but they are definitely good people. They do my Ektar 100 processing sub'ed out through Knight Camera in Vancouver. Knight is a pretty cool place as well. They do mostly camera repair, but have a ton of vintage 35mm stuff and a "magic box" full of cases, straps, and other weird things. Steve