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07-01-2007, 12:52 PM   #1
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OK, question for the purists..

Since I can't seem to keep a DSLR up and running, I am contemplating getting a film camera to play with until I get them back from the shop.

Given the selection of lenses that I have, what would be a good body to pursue that can work with most if not all of what I have to shoot with?

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I have PZ-1p and a K1000 so I can only speak for those two :

K1000 ,as you know, is all manual . It would be fun if you want going that "simple " route .

PZ-1p is among the best film Pentax cameras . I use the DA 18~55 on it one day just because I was curious . I can open to , perhaps ,20mm before I get that "black circle " . Other than that , it is fine .

Do they have a local shop near you ? Go talk to them . Ask them to "rent" it ( or others ) for a few days . Even that they don't have a rental program , try it anyway Few people are buying film camera nowaday so they might let you "rent" it hoping they can have a chance to sell !

Stick with C-41 film first . You can get those done/scan at 1hr lab or you might have to send film out of town .

Gotta run . Hope this helps

PS BTW , your macro set up is slick !
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Kind of left us hanging, you know...

QuoteOriginally posted by Buddha Jones Quote
Since I can't seem to keep a DSLR up and running, I am contemplating getting a film camera to play with until I get them back from the shop.

Given the selection of lenses that I have, what would be a good body to pursue that can work with most if not all of what I have to shoot with?
From the number of DA lenses I'd say your choices are rather limited. You need an Auto functionality which eliminates all the old manual bodies and the small image circle means significant vignetting at least at short ends otherwise. I'm guessing the FA lenses will fit and work on virtually any body. The Vivitars are just a question mark. Perhaps something in the ZX series?!?! Maybe a P/PZ.




Have you considered acquiring some old manual camera and just working one lens and one film to iron-out any questions or problems or just to experiment--say in B&W?

Maybe you are at a crossroads where a bit of lateral movement will yield big dividends.




Do you know the source of your problems? Did you just get two lemons? I don't want to shake your confidence any more than has occurred, but knowing what went wrong would be a first step in prevention. sStatic or humidity or poor electrical power or cheap batteries--possibility of gray market equipment?



You dropped out of the discussion about your second camera. After a few others posted and you didn't reply, I too lost interest. In the interim from there to here it seems you decided to send it for repair. What was it doing after simple stuff like repowering and re-initializing?
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Well right now I am cameraless, which ain't cool. Both bodies are under warranty so I am not too concerned about it, the will get fixed or replaced by Pentax.

So I figured while I was cameraless, I could get a point-and-shoot as a backup to my backup, or I could get a film body and use some of my current lenses with it.

I feel like I am lsing out on valuable time here, getting kinda antsy too.

Film and B&W does sound fun though. I will see of there are any kits for sale on eBay, maybe go to the pawn shops this week.

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Haha. From my thread(Flelvia!!!) last week, I sensed that you were beginning to think about film in the same way I did. I'm finding it fun and challenging to shoot film since I've only ever shot digital. If you're like me, get ready to budget for a new scanner. That Vivitar macro on a film camera, with some Velvia or Provia sure does make a beautiful combination!

I'm liking my ZX-L a lot as a second camera. Also look into the ZX-5n and MZ-3(no US version, pretty much ebay only). I was originally looking at a MZ-3, but decided on the ZX-L despite the small Penta-Mirror veiwfinder. I chose the ZX-L because it did all the fancy stuff with the AF360 that the K10D does(Wireless, High speed, P-TTL, etc.) and does not require an aperture ring on the lens.

Most of your digital lenses should work on the film camera at roughly 30mm and above. No wideangle stuff.
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Z1 or Z1p would be best as these are the bodies have the highest spec of any of the pentax film bodies and are nice cameras to boot, other then that try a MZ-S
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QuoteOriginally posted by Buddha Jones Quote
Well right now I am cameraless, which ain't cool. Both bodies are under warranty so I am not too concerned about it, the will get fixed or replaced by Pentax.

So I figured while I was cameraless, I could get a point-and-shoot as a backup to my backup, or I could get a film body and use some of my current lenses with it.

I feel like I am lsing out on valuable time here, getting kinda antsy too.

Film and B&W does sound fun though. I will see of there are any kits for sale on eBay, maybe go to the pawn shops this week.
When I get that feeling it's time to return to my roots, be primative. I found a ZX-M at a Ritz-like mom and pop film processing mall outlet, a low end camera store. It has an 'A' setting but it's mostly manual. Should give some limited function with all your kit. And find a copy of "Learning to See Creatively" You'll be standing on ladders, crawling in the dirt, shooting at a diagonal, zooming with the feet and a hundred other silly exercises.

The goal is simple: learn to see what the camera sees. Get a willing and cooperative assistant. The first exercise is to shoot from your belly through the legs of the assistant. It made me and mine giggle for months when recalling the situation. (no, it's not porn, you're shooting the scene beyond the legs, far beyond---still it's a giggle-fest.)
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Man, film cameras aren't as cheap as I thought they would be. I think I will do a little work this morning and then start calling some Pawn Shops in the area and see if I can score some deals. Thanks for all the advice guys. And thanks JFD for reminding me that I should do some reading as well.

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Remember, Buddha...when you're shooting film, the camera body is just a box. A K1000 will give you identical results to any other Pentax camera out there. Only the degree of difficulty in using it changes. Image quality in the film world is tied to which film and lenses you use.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Buddha Jones Quote
Man, film cameras aren't as cheap as I thought they would be. I think I will do a little work this morning and then start calling some Pawn Shops in the area and see if I can score some deals. Thanks for all the advice guys. And thanks JFD for reminding me that I should do some reading as well.
Buddha, you should look on ebay, I just picked up a P30 with case, strap and a Pentax A 50mm F1:1.7 lens for 30 including postage, in perfect working order, and the lens is mint!
Shipping to US it would have cost you around $70 - 80 USD
I have noticed that Pentax camera's and lenses are much cheaper on ebay uk than ebay worldwide, check this one out
eBay.co.uk: Pentax MZ-50 35mm SLR Camera including the lens (item 230147182414 end time 04-Jul-07 19:32:54 BST)

I know it says uk bidders only but a lot will post outside the uk if you email them and ask the question.
I have an MZ10 which is very similar to the MZ50 here, and it has been, and still remains a great camera, I should use it more than I do.
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Hi Buddha,

I will be selling my MZ-5 plus a couple of M lenses (M35/2.8 and M150/3.5) soon. If you are interested, please PM me. And yes, I am either sell body+lens together or separetly.

cheers
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Hey Mr Jones

I found this :

Pentax ME Super



Good luck

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I have a Program Plus (manual focus) which allows me to set aperture on the DA 16-45. I also have a ZX10 which doesn't, but works fine on program / Tv, and does the autofocus thing. The 16-45 is a fantastic lens on a film body: wider than about 22mm it starts to vignette, very nicely!




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Dude... Just buy an MX and a few M prime lenses. You could get a pretty fun kit for $200 and have a good o'l time.
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If you want a film SLR you might want to look into some of the "dead" systems (Konica, Canon FD, etc). In general their lenses are just as good as pentax but because they are dead-end systems the bodies and lenses are really cheap (esp Konica). On the other hand if you really want to get basic, pick up an old rollei 35 (scale focus, legendary lens, total manual control, and small enough to take everywhere) - I learned more about photography using a rollei 35 than any other camera I've ever had.
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