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The bargain of the century, the mother of all great deals, I just can't believe this!
Posted By: Fontan, 06-23-2014, 08:51 PM

New Pentax Da 70mm F2 4 Limited Lens with 1 Year Warranty Silver | eBay

They have 5 available!

OMG!!
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06-24-2014, 04:35 PM   #16
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There were (are?) a ton of K mount lenses on their site for the same price. wonder if a pricing bot went nuts or that is the default, unconfigured price. hehe

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As someone else pointed out in another thread in the forum, these prices are likely due to ebay sellers finding it simpler to raise the selling price absurdly when they run out of stock on an item. I believe there is a financial/logistical advantage for them to do that, rather than taking down the auction and putting it back up again when they get stock.
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QuoteOriginally posted by nater Quote
As someone else pointed out in another thread in the forum, these prices are likely due to ebay sellers finding it simpler to raise the selling price absurdly when they run out of stock on an item. I believe there is a financial/logistical advantage for them to do that, rather than taking down the auction and putting it back up again when they get stock.
If that's the strategy, it would be hard to think of a worse marketing plan. Why would any sane person person ever send money to a company [sic --> user name] that had pulled a stunt like that?

I wish somebody would explain to me the inscrutable reasons behind any number of odd business practices I see all the time on eBay. I see ads for single, presumably non-commodity items renewed over and over, for months and months... even years! What's the game here?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kayaker-J Quote
If that's the strategy, it would be hard to think of a worse marketing plan. Why would any sane person person ever send money to a company [sic --> user name] that had pulled a stunt like that?

I wish somebody would explain to me the inscrutable reasons behind any number of odd business practices I see all the time on eBay. I see ads for single, presumably non-commodity items renewed over and over, for months and months... even years! What's the game here?
It keeps the seller's items high in the search rankings which relisting the item when you have more stock/get back from holiday won't. Better to have an unreasonable price for a short time and then revert to normal price where people see it rather than a normal price where no one sees it, that's the seller's philosophy.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mike L Quote
It keeps the seller's items high in the search rankings which relisting the item when you have more stock/get back from holiday won't. Better to have an unreasonable price for a short time and then revert to normal price where people see it rather than a normal price where no one sees it, that's the seller's philosop.
I don't quite follow. First, what do mean by "search rankings" in this context? My perspective is as a consumer/user searching for something I want. I care nothing about rankings; I just want one of two things. 1) I search for something initially (or after some time), and I simply want to view ALL the choices available; 2) I set up an ongoing search and set up "newly listed" as the search parameter. I get all the listings first time, and new listings leading thereafter. What annoys me is getting what are apparently re-listings thrown back at me from sellers I know don't meet my requirements -- the s.o.s. at the same old price. It can be hard to limit searches by price, because I want to see new auctions listed as soon as possible. If I were one to get worn down by constant repetition, then I'd think sellers looking to blitz the hypothetical me would want a new listing as often as possible. So who is the prospective buyer the strategy you describe nails? Or, alternatively, what am I missing?

The one way I see your point -- well, sort of -- is in the case where someone keeps searching "price, highest first"... Sometimes you need to do that, so you don't have to scroll through 20 pages of dopey accessories when you want a tablet computer, a digital camera, or some other tech piece. This would not seem to be the sort of target for a broadly cast net. So I remain a bit stumped on that one. Thanks.

Addendum: Oh, BTW, the single, non-commodity item I had in mind, referring to my earlier post, was some used (hence, in some sense, unique) item, which appears with the same ad, month after month... for years, even. If it's an electric guitar, for example, then I can say confidently that guitarists with definite objectives are going to see the one shown as unique; and most will know there's a pretty well-defined market value for that, in most cases. I've spent a lot of time looking at guitars and there are examples where you can only think, what does it take to get the message across that the price is too high... or the ad is creepy and spooking the potential buyers. People who sell guitars want to MOVE guitars -- 'cause the world is full of them! So I don't get it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kayaker-J Quote
I don't quite follow. First, what do mean by "search rankings" in this context? My perspective is as a consumer/user searching for something I want. I care nothing about rankings; I just want one of two things. 1) I search for something initially (or after some time), and I simply want to view ALL the choices available; 2) I set up an ongoing search and set up "newly listed" as the search parameter. I get all the listings first time, and new listings leading thereafter. What annoys me is getting what are apparently re-listings thrown back at me from sellers I know don't meet my requirements -- the s.o.s. at the same old price. It can be hard to limit searches by price, because I want to see new auctions listed as soon as possible. If I were one to get worn down by constant repetition, then I'd think sellers looking to blitz the hypothetical me would want a new listing as often as possible. So who is the prospective buyer the strategy you describe nails? Or, alternatively, what am I missing?

The one way I see your point -- well, sort of -- is in the case where someone keeps searching "price, highest first"... Sometimes you need to do that, so you don't have to scroll through 20 pages of dopey accessories when you want a tablet computer, a digital camera, or some other tech piece. This would not seem to be the sort of target for a broadly cast net. So I remain a bit stumped on that one. Thanks.
The point is he's trying to not sell any lens at the moment because he is out of stock or on holiday.

Items don't end up at the top of default search results or best match results by accident. There are certain factors which determine where in a list an item appears and sellers are very good at manipulating these to get their item to appear higher and stay there. One of the factors that determines where items are listed when a eBay consumer searches is Item Performance over Time i.e. a calculation of how many times the listing has been seen vs the number of sales it generates.

Instead of starting a new listing when he gets stock and having that item's score start from scratch with no the Item Performance over Time score, he has decided to keep running his listing that has been seen many times already and probably sold a decent number of items. He has jacked up the price so he doesn't have to worry about selling something that he can't supply at this time. When he can supply he'll drop the price back down to a decent price. He's not hoping to fleece some dummy and get rich quick, he's just trying to keep his listing's score up.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kayaker-J Quote
Addendum: Oh, BTW, the single, non-commodity item I had in mind, referring to my earlier post, was some used (hence, in some sense, unique) item, which appears with the same ad, month after month... for years, even. If it's an electric guitar, for example, then I can say confidently that guitarists with definite objectives are going to see the one shown as unique; and most will know there's a pretty well-defined market value for that, in most cases. I've spent a lot of time looking at guitars and there are examples where you can only think, what does it take to get the message across that the price is too high... or the ad is creepy and spooking the potential buyers. People who sell guitars want to MOVE guitars -- 'cause the world is full of them! So I don't get it.
Some people just have unrealistic expectations. Maybe they promised their better half they would sell it but don't want to let it go, who knows.
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It is HONG KONG dollars

The price is clearly meant to be Hong Kong dollars. Seller made a mistake. Send him a note.
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@Mike L... Well, O.K., thanks very much for your input. I'm going to have to pay a visit to eBay with this info at hand and see how that works. All I can think right now is that of the few basic search-ordering parameters available for the choosing at TOP RIGHT of page 1 of any search, none resemble one saying, in effect, Oh, just give me the default order for the current listings in this product category -- you guys decide on some order you like. ...So, I'll need to engage in some closer scrutiny, Mike...

...unless you are referring to a collection of merchants, all selling the same standardized commercial product, at the same price... or at prices showing only negligible variation. I don't know, maybe a page or two of listings for a single product do come up with prices seeming to appear in a random order. I'm not sure... because if that's the case, this has never bothered me much. The price ordering solution is obvious. So that sort of thing does not really relate to my initial question.

Anyway, as I said, I'll take another look. Thanks again.

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I guess the price of silver is really going up!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mikesul Quote
The price is clearly meant to be Hong Kong dollars. Seller made a mistake. Send him a note.
Except they have various Pentax mount lenses for the exact, same super inflated price. It is clearly either a stop gap not to pull the listing or a pricing bot error.
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Mike L has it right. This has been much ado about nothing. Here is the reply I received when I contacted the seller:

Dear mikesul,

Hi

Thank you very much for your inquiry.

We are currently restocking the item, therefore, price on the page is not correct one for sale. The information will update within a few days, please come back by then if you are still interested.

Regards

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I have clicked on this twice now on different days! You got me good!

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QuoteOriginally posted by Fontan Quote

Going to check it out.
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And don't forget to get this all important ethernet cable for your pc or mac!! Hurry, hurry... they're discontinued!!! (make sure you read some of the 600 customer reviews).

Amazon.com: Buying Choices: Denon AKDL1 Dedicated Link Cable (Discontinued by Manufacturer)
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This is neither helpful, nor entertaining, nor witty. You and the hoard of fake "reviewers" on Amazon plainly have little to no clue what this cable is, what is was for, and what factors lead to its being proprietary in design. The "price" is apparently there as an expedient to discourage inquiry by the uninformed and confused -- and you've pretty much demonstrated that such people are snooping around even this specialized item
-- because the constraints that motivated the development of Denon Link have largely evaporated. This is not to be construed as either an endorsement nor a critique of the product. It is a critique of people who go big blow on the internet, wasting everyone's time and adding to the obsfucating noise factor, so narrowly and so pointlessly; while being themselves in a state of thoroughgoing and willful ignorance about the object of their fleeting attention... and so, just adding to the rudeness of it all.

Yeah, I know, this is merely a sign of the times. But at the very least, I must, in response, defend the fundamental idea that faithful and convincing reproduction in the home of the great treasures of our musical heritage remains a worthwhile, edifying, and deeply gratifying pursuit; and that it deserves respect... not buckshot wide broadsides and mindless attempts to ridicule by some of the hoards of hoi polloi rattling bolts with one-note, farting auto subwoofers; jellifying their brains with cynically mass produced pseudo-music rubbish (further distorted, perhaps, by Beats headphones and similar); and generally treating all forms of music as mere aural chewing gum to accompany some other more important form of distraction. I, for one, value the arts in many forms (which is why I'm here) and abhor what I am witnessing today as traditional artistic expressions of personal creativity, imagination, innovation, and human aspiration are crassly devalued and trampled underfoot by a crapculture obsessed with junk commercialism, perverse levels of corporate and personal greed, shallow and trivial short term goals, extreme provincialism, banal narcissisms, and the dissolution of the concept of a social contract which so deeply informed our country's founding.

To fix all this... well, one hardly knows where to start under present circumstances. Here at PF, one form of the arts and its various interesting tangents are supported, encouraged, and promoted in a number of positive ways; for which I am very grateful. And as usual, many controversial circumstances we see will evolve on their own into positives now only dimly imagined, if anti-empirical and dogmatic reactionaries can be held at bay. Here, I'll just start by defending respect for, and proper management of, a rich and accessible part of our cultural wealth -- a source of true wonder and inspiration. Yes, the tech part does represent a critical portion of that; and the same observation, of course, applies to our own pursuit of the art & craft of photography. It just annoys me that people who still care to support and advance the goal of achieving excellence in music reproduction, as well as a kind of stewardship of the artistic intent behind it, keep getting kicked in the teeth so frequently and so publicly by those of vulgar, common, and presumptuous ignorance.
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