Pentax K-1 under $1500 on Amazon.de

Pentax K-1 under $1500 on Amazon.de · 11:24 PM

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Is this for real? Or is this grey market?
For once are European getting a better deal?

Pentax K-1 digitale 35 mm Vollformat: Amazon.de: Kamera

Adam · 09-11-2016, 11:58 PM

Looks like grey market of course- but nice deal!

beholder3 · 09-12-2016, 12:04 AM

This is not even "grey" market. The "dealer" refers to a junk mail address.
I once checked such an offer and Amazon warned my against using that route as it circumvents all buyer protection mechanisms.

**BigMackCam** · 09-12-2016, 12:16 AM

I agree, this looks very suspicious to me. There have been many instances where unscrupulous sellers bypass Amazon Payments at the payment stage, so the transaction doesn't actually occur through Amazon or with their protection. Then, when your goods don't arrive and you contact Amazon, you're on your own...

debakarma · 09-12-2016, 12:35 AM

My impression is Amazon has more stricter controls for sellers than ebay. According to German law, the seller must give the details (see below). The seller info on Amazon shows the following:

Schuhhaus Heinrich Huls OHG
Bahnhofstr.22, 48607 Ochtrup

NOTE: Company Incorporation in Germany
"OHG" or General partnership, not the usual GmbH which means Limited Liability Company.

Vertretungsberechtigte Gesellschafter (Authorised representatives):
Christoph Lange, Heinz-Peter Lange
Tel.: 02553-9776484; Fax: 02553-9736873; E-Mail: info@belvero.de

Volksbank Ochtrup, Kto.-Nr.247 900 BLZ 401 646 18
BIC - GENODEM1OTR
IBAN - DE21401646180000247900

Handelsregisternr.: HRA 1352; (trade registration number)
Amtsgericht: AG Steinfurt;
Ust.-ID.Nr.: DE 124 380 565

**BigMackCam** · 09-12-2016, 12:43 AM

Just for kicks, I thought I'd see what happened when purchasing one from this seller. When I add it to my basket, I get the following message (translated from German):

Unfortunately, the article Pentax 's K - 1 digital 35 mm full-frame SLR camera is no longer available from the provider you have chosen. Please click here to return to the product page and choose another provider.

Maybe that's because I'm in the UK, but I don't think so, as I could have bought it and had it delivered to a German address...

The seller's name is "★★★ orders and all information - Contact us : r_____________a.com★★★", which suggests to me that they're trying to get potential buyers to contact them via that e-mail address to order...

beholder3 · 09-12-2016, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by debakarma

My impression is Amazon has more stricter controls for sellers than ebay. According to German law, the seller must give the details (see below). The seller info on Amazon shows the following:

Yes and that is a footwear/shoe dealer. One might wonder if local footwear shops do sell DSLRs usually...

Combine this with the fact that the email address given is not anywhere near the email address of the (shoe) shop.

mee · 09-12-2016, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Just for kicks, I thought I'd see what happened when purchasing one from this seller. When I add it to my basket, I get the following message (translated from German):

Unfortunately, the article Pentax 's K - 1 digital 35 mm full-frame SLR camera is no longer available from the provider you have chosen. Please click here to return to the product page and choose another provider.

Maybe that's because I'm in the UK, but I don't think so, as I could have bought it and had it delivered to a German address...

The seller's name is "★★★ orders and all information - Contact us : r_____________a.com★★★", which suggests to me that they're trying to get potential buyers to contact them via that e-mail address to order...

I've seen a few of these listings for dirt cheap Pentax products while perusing the US side of Amazon too. the seller name says to email them before ordering. Super shady.. proceed only if you enjoy potentially losing lots of money..

antipattern · 09-14-2016, 11:28 AM - **3 Likes**

DO NOT buy or contact these sellers. This is most definitely a scam.

Amazon, in particular Amazon.de, has a huge problem with cracked accounts. These accounts are used to advertise thousands of products, all well-below the current retail price. In each of the offers, customers are advised to contact the "seller" via email. The seller will then send out a fake Amazon email with payment information asking you to pay via bank transfer. But if you do, you will not get a product.

Currently, there are so many of these cracked accounts that Amazon.de is almost unusable. I used to check the market place for a second hand FA31 Ltd, and there are almost always market place entries - currently for as low as €250! But almost all of them are fake. I don't know why Amazon isn't doing anything about these accounts. Just some bulk product advertisement filter would do. However, instead the Marketplace is flooded with fake offers.

If you speak German, you can read more about the scam at Heise.de.

---------- Post added Sep 14th, 2016 at 11:36 ----------

Originally posted by debakarma

Schuhhaus Heinrich Huls OHG
Bahnhofstr.22, 48607 Ochtrup

These are generally accounts of real companies - but they have been cracked and the crackers are selling all these fake products.

Apart from buyers, the original owners of these accounts are also victims of the scam since they have their accounts ruined by the scammers.

**BigMackCam** · 09-14-2016, 01:38 PM

^^^ Thanks for posting this. It's as we thought, but good to have confirmation. What a bad state of affairs... I wonder how many people get sucked in and lose their money?

Nessie · 09-17-2016, 03:59 AM

Scammers are at it again. This time they hacked the account of a pharmacy.

As Antipattern already said, DO NOT BUY.

Shanti · 11-26-2016, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Just for kicks, I thought I'd see what happened when purchasing one from this seller. When I add it to my basket, I get the following message (translated from German):

Unfortunately, the article Pentax 's K - 1 digital 35 mm full-frame SLR camera is no longer available from the provider you have chosen. Please click here to return to the product page and choose another provider.

Maybe that's because I'm in the UK, but I don't think so, as I could have bought it and had it delivered to a German address...

The seller's name is "★★★ orders and all information - Contact us : r_____________a.com★★★", which suggests to me that they're trying to get potential buyers to contact them via that e-mail address to order...

I put in my basket to buy,then it was moved & price went back to €2000,either seller messed up or big scam..he is reg in UK if you look deeper...

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09-12-2016, 12:04 AM	#3
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	This is not even "grey" market. The "dealer" refers to a junk mail address. I once checked such an offer and Amazon warned my against using that route as it circumvents all buyer protection mechanisms.

09-12-2016, 12:16 AM	#4
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	I agree, this looks very suspicious to me. There have been many instances where unscrupulous sellers bypass Amazon Payments at the payment stage, so the transaction doesn't actually occur through Amazon or with their protection. Then, when your goods don't arrive and you contact Amazon, you're on your own...

09-12-2016, 12:35 AM	#5
debakarma Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,294 Original Poster	My impression is Amazon has more stricter controls for sellers than ebay. According to German law, the seller must give the details (see below). The seller info on Amazon shows the following: Schuhhaus Heinrich Huls OHG Bahnhofstr.22, 48607 Ochtrup NOTE: Company Incorporation in Germany "OHG" or General partnership, not the usual GmbH which means Limited Liability Company. Vertretungsberechtigte Gesellschafter (Authorised representatives): Christoph Lange, Heinz-Peter Lange Tel.: 02553-9776484; Fax: 02553-9736873; E-Mail: info@belvero.de Volksbank Ochtrup, Kto.-Nr.247 900 BLZ 401 646 18 BIC - GENODEM1OTR IBAN - DE21401646180000247900 Handelsregisternr.: HRA 1352; (trade registration number) Amtsgericht: AG Steinfurt; Ust.-ID.Nr.: DE 124 380 565

09-12-2016, 12:43 AM	#6
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Just for kicks, I thought I'd see what happened when purchasing one from this seller. When I add it to my basket, I get the following message (translated from German): Unfortunately, the article Pentax 's K - 1 digital 35 mm full-frame SLR camera is no longer available from the provider you have chosen. Please click here to return to the product page and choose another provider. Maybe that's because I'm in the UK, but I don't think so, as I could have bought it and had it delivered to a German address... The seller's name is "★★★ orders and all information - Contact us : r_____________a.com★★★", which suggests to me that they're trying to get potential buyers to contact them via that e-mail address to order...

09-12-2016, 01:56 AM	#7
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by debakarma My impression is Amazon has more stricter controls for sellers than ebay. According to German law, the seller must give the details (see below). The seller info on Amazon shows the following: Yes and that is a footwear/shoe dealer. One might wonder if local footwear shops do sell DSLRs usually... Combine this with the fact that the email address given is not anywhere near the email address of the (shoe) shop.

09-12-2016, 06:11 AM	#8
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by BigMackCam Just for kicks, I thought I'd see what happened when purchasing one from this seller. When I add it to my basket, I get the following message (translated from German): Unfortunately, the article Pentax 's K - 1 digital 35 mm full-frame SLR camera is no longer available from the provider you have chosen. Please click here to return to the product page and choose another provider. Maybe that's because I'm in the UK, but I don't think so, as I could have bought it and had it delivered to a German address... The seller's name is "★★★ orders and all information - Contact us : r_____________a.com★★★", which suggests to me that they're trying to get potential buyers to contact them via that e-mail address to order... I've seen a few of these listings for dirt cheap Pentax products while perusing the US side of Amazon too. the seller name says to email them before ordering. Super shady.. proceed only if you enjoy potentially losing lots of money..

09-14-2016, 11:28 AM - 3 Likes	#9
antipattern Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Berlin, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 232	DO NOT buy or contact these sellers. This is most definitely a scam. Amazon, in particular Amazon.de, has a huge problem with cracked accounts. These accounts are used to advertise thousands of products, all well-below the current retail price. In each of the offers, customers are advised to contact the "seller" via email. The seller will then send out a fake Amazon email with payment information asking you to pay via bank transfer. But if you do, you will not get a product. Currently, there are so many of these cracked accounts that Amazon.de is almost unusable. I used to check the market place for a second hand FA31 Ltd, and there are almost always market place entries - currently for as low as €250! But almost all of them are fake. I don't know why Amazon isn't doing anything about these accounts. Just some bulk product advertisement filter would do. However, instead the Marketplace is flooded with fake offers. If you speak German, you can read more about the scam at Heise.de. ---------- Post added Sep 14th, 2016 at 11:36 ---------- Originally posted by debakarma Schuhhaus Heinrich Huls OHG Bahnhofstr.22, 48607 Ochtrup These are generally accounts of real companies - but they have been cracked and the crackers are selling all these fake products. Apart from buyers, the original owners of these accounts are also victims of the scam since they have their accounts ruined by the scammers.

09-14-2016, 01:38 PM	#10
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	^^^ Thanks for posting this. It's as we thought, but good to have confirmation. What a bad state of affairs... I wonder how many people get sucked in and lose their money?

09-17-2016, 03:59 AM	#11
Nessie Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Ticino, Switzerland Posts: 45	Scammers are at it again. This time they hacked the account of a pharmacy. As Antipattern already said, DO NOT BUY.

11-26-2016, 09:04 PM	#12
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by BigMackCam Just for kicks, I thought I'd see what happened when purchasing one from this seller. When I add it to my basket, I get the following message (translated from German): Unfortunately, the article Pentax 's K - 1 digital 35 mm full-frame SLR camera is no longer available from the provider you have chosen. Please click here to return to the product page and choose another provider. Maybe that's because I'm in the UK, but I don't think so, as I could have bought it and had it delivered to a German address... The seller's name is "★★★ orders and all information - Contact us : r_____________a.com★★★", which suggests to me that they're trying to get potential buyers to contact them via that e-mail address to order... I put in my basket to buy,then it was moved & price went back to €2000,either seller messed up or big scam..he is reg in UK if you look deeper...