D FA 70-210mm F4 - Now in stock!

D FA 70-210mm F4 - Now in stock! · **2 Likes**

It looks like the new 70-210mm has just hit the shelves at Adorama! Can't complain about the turnaround time for this lens

Pentax HD PENTAX-D FA 70-210mm F4 ED SDM WR Lens

**jpzk** · 02-09-2020, 07:43 PM

Wow !! What a nice surprise already.

**loveisageless** · 02-09-2020, 09:25 PM

Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky.

Sandy Hancock · 02-09-2020, 09:32 PM

Wow! Hopefully stocks will also arrive in Oz sooner than expected.

Dan · 02-09-2020, 10:23 PM

With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high.

Sandy Hancock · 02-09-2020, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Dan

While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high.

Fortunately the Australian price seems a better deal at current exchange rates.
But anyway, the price you pay for a lens that requires a new body to mount it on is a bit of a moot point really....

stevebrot · 02-09-2020, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by loveisageless

Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky.

Yep...optional. Were you planning on a purchase? The case is $25 USD. (I thought you sold your K-1ii.)

Originally posted by Dan

With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high.

Regular price on the Tamron is $799 and the case is not a standard accessory. The case/accessory bundle is Adorama's bundle, not Tamron's. Of course, if one wishes to purchase the Tamron, they must have a Nikon or Canon body. You should be able to get a purchase price in the $800 range on the Pentax lens by this time next year.

Steve

Last edited by stevebrot; 02-09-2020 at 10:56 PM.

Sandy Hancock · 02-09-2020, 11:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by loveisageless

Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky.

The lens pouch of every lens I have ever bought still lives in the box in which it came. I won't miss the DFA700-210 pouch.

**RobA_Oz** · 02-10-2020, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Fortunately the Australian price seems a better deal at current exchange rates.
But anyway, the price you pay for a lens that requires a new body to mount it on is a bit of a moot point really....

The launch price of the Tamron version is probably more to the point, anyway, whatever that was.

Pentax Australia is still advertising availability as 5th March 2020.

**Rondec** · 02-10-2020, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Dan

With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high.

Launch price a street price often end up being quite a bit different. Pentax is getting a little extra revenue out of the early adopters and will gradually lower the price down the road.

I have mentioned before, but the DFA 24-70 is priced at 1126 while the Tamron 24-70 G2 is priced at 1199. The Pentax DFA 15-30 is priced at 1296 and the Tamron 15-30 is priced at 1199 or 1299 depending on the mount (B and H prices). The point is that Pentax usually doesn't end up pricing the lenses for more than a hundred more than what the Tamron versions are priced, but the initial price is often a little bit high.

D1N0 · 02-10-2020, 06:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by loveisageless

Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky.

I have a large collection of mouldy old cases and pouches I don't know what to with except throw away.

**gaweidert** · 02-10-2020, 07:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Dan

With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high.

Any description of the Tamron lens I see lists no ED elements. The Pentax version has three ED elements. The DPReview article of the Tamron on lens lists no ED elements. They do mention that CA can be eliminated in post processing. The higher end Tamron lenses all list ED elements when they have them. No focus limiting either.

This lens is more than simply a rebranded Tamron lens.

**Rondec** · 02-10-2020, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by gaweidert

Any description of the Tamron lens I see lists no ED elements. The Pentax version has three ED elements. The DPReview article of the Tamron on lens lists no ED elements. They do mention that CA can be eliminated in post processing. The higher end Tamron lenses all list ED elements when they have them. No focus limiting either.

This lens is more than simply a rebranded Tamron lens.

I'm not arguing with you, but when you look at the diagrams of the Tamron and the Pentax side by side, they look exactly the same. I guess I wonder if you can just pull out a regular element and replace it with an ED element and otherwise not change the optical formula? I'm asking, because I honestly don't know.

My impression with this lens was that it was basically the Tamron lens, with the VC taken out, a focus limiter, and with Pentax coatings.

normhead · 02-10-2020, 09:12 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by loveisageless

Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky.

I have so many lens cases sitting in my cupboard. Without a shoulder strap they are next to useless.

I prefer the third party cases that have a strap that can be attached to the sides of camera cases.

---------- Post added 02-10-20 at 11:19 AM ----------

Originally posted by Rondec

I'm not arguing with you, but when you look at the diagrams of the Tamron and the Pentax side by side, they look exactly the same. I guess I wonder if you can just pull out a regular element and replace it with an ED element and otherwise not change the optical formula? I'm asking, because I honestly don't know.

My impression with this lens was that it was basically the Tamron lens, with the VC taken out, a focus limiter, and with Pentax coatings.

The focus limiter suggests a whole new outer case and internal design. Until someone finds out where the lenses are being built we know nothing. Does anyone even know if Pentax is manufacturing the glass using Tamron facilities or getting their blanks from Tamron. What does anyone actually know? Tamron could have modified their line to meet Pentax specs, Pentax could have licensed the design but took over all production. It could be any combination in between. Pentax could also have tightened the tolerances on critical elements without changing the overall design.

There's nothing scarier than people who don't know what they don't know.

Unless it's people who exaggerate to make a point.

**luftfluss** · 02-10-2020, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by gaweidert

Any description of the Tamron lens I see lists no ED elements. The Pentax version has three ED elements. The DPReview article of the Tamron on lens lists no ED elements. They do mention that CA can be eliminated in post processing. The higher end Tamron lenses all list ED elements when they have them. No focus limiting either.

This lens is more than simply a rebranded Tamron lens.

Originally posted by Rondec

I'm not arguing with you, but when you look at the diagrams of the Tamron and the Pentax side by side, they look exactly the same. I guess I wonder if you can just pull out a regular element and replace it with an ED element and otherwise not change the optical formula? I'm asking, because I honestly don't know.

My impression with this lens was that it was basically the Tamron lens, with the VC taken out, a focus limiter, and with Pentax coatings.

From Tamron's own description of the 70-210/4:

Quote:

...provides superb optical performance throughout the entire zoom range. Applying three LD (Low Dispersion) lens elements...

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02-10-2020, 09:12 AM - 1 Like	#14
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by loveisageless Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky. I have so many lens cases sitting in my cupboard. Without a shoulder strap they are next to useless. I prefer the third party cases that have a strap that can be attached to the sides of camera cases. ---------- Post added 02-10-20 at 11:19 AM ---------- Originally posted by Rondec I'm not arguing with you, but when you look at the diagrams of the Tamron and the Pentax side by side, they look exactly the same. I guess I wonder if you can just pull out a regular element and replace it with an ED element and otherwise not change the optical formula? I'm asking, because I honestly don't know. My impression with this lens was that it was basically the Tamron lens, with the VC taken out, a focus limiter, and with Pentax coatings. The focus limiter suggests a whole new outer case and internal design. Until someone finds out where the lenses are being built we know nothing. Does anyone even know if Pentax is manufacturing the glass using Tamron facilities or getting their blanks from Tamron. What does anyone actually know? Tamron could have modified their line to meet Pentax specs, Pentax could have licensed the design but took over all production. It could be any combination in between. Pentax could also have tightened the tolerances on critical elements without changing the overall design. There's nothing scarier than people who don't know what they don't know. Unless it's people who exaggerate to make a point. Last edited by normhead; 02-10-2020 at 09:25 AM.

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jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Wow !! What a nice surprise already.

02-09-2020, 09:25 PM	#3
loveisageless Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oakland, California Photos: Albums Posts: 1,250	Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky.

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Wow! Hopefully stocks will also arrive in Oz sooner than expected.

02-09-2020, 10:23 PM	#5
Dan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 325	With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high.

02-09-2020, 10:30 PM	#6
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by Dan While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high. Fortunately the Australian price seems a better deal at current exchange rates. But anyway, the price you pay for a lens that requires a new body to mount it on is a bit of a moot point really....

02-09-2020, 10:50 PM	#7
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by loveisageless Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky. Yep...optional. Were you planning on a purchase? The case is $25 USD. (I thought you sold your K-1ii.) Originally posted by Dan With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high. Regular price on the Tamron is $799 and the case is not a standard accessory. The case/accessory bundle is Adorama's bundle, not Tamron's. Of course, if one wishes to purchase the Tamron, they must have a Nikon or Canon body. You should be able to get a purchase price in the $800 range on the Pentax lens by this time next year. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 02-09-2020 at 10:56 PM.

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by loveisageless Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky. The lens pouch of every lens I have ever bought still lives in the box in which it came. I won't miss the DFA700-210 pouch.

02-10-2020, 12:14 AM	#9
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Fortunately the Australian price seems a better deal at current exchange rates. But anyway, the price you pay for a lens that requires a new body to mount it on is a bit of a moot point really.... The launch price of the Tamron version is probably more to the point, anyway, whatever that was. Pentax Australia is still advertising availability as 5th March 2020.

02-10-2020, 04:13 AM	#10
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Dan With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high. Launch price a street price often end up being quite a bit different. Pentax is getting a little extra revenue out of the early adopters and will gradually lower the price down the road. I have mentioned before, but the DFA 24-70 is priced at 1126 while the Tamron 24-70 G2 is priced at 1199. The Pentax DFA 15-30 is priced at 1296 and the Tamron 15-30 is priced at 1199 or 1299 depending on the mount (B and H prices). The point is that Pentax usually doesn't end up pricing the lenses for more than a hundred more than what the Tamron versions are priced, but the initial price is often a little bit high.

02-10-2020, 06:44 AM - 1 Like	#11
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by loveisageless Adorama's specs show the lens case as being "optional". $1000+ lens and they can't include a lens pouch? Tacky. I have a large collection of mouldy old cases and pouches I don't know what to with except throw away.

02-10-2020, 07:57 AM - 1 Like	#12
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,325	Originally posted by Dan With a price of $1100 it sells for a premium of $500 over the very similar Tamron lens in Nikon and Canon mounts. Adorama sells the Tamron for $600, with a case and accessory bundle. While I expect Pentax users to have to pay a premium, that strikes me as a tad too high. Any description of the Tamron lens I see lists no ED elements. The Pentax version has three ED elements. The DPReview article of the Tamron on lens lists no ED elements. They do mention that CA can be eliminated in post processing. The higher end Tamron lenses all list ED elements when they have them. No focus limiting either. This lens is more than simply a rebranded Tamron lens.

02-10-2020, 08:43 AM	#13
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by gaweidert Any description of the Tamron lens I see lists no ED elements. The Pentax version has three ED elements. The DPReview article of the Tamron on lens lists no ED elements. They do mention that CA can be eliminated in post processing. The higher end Tamron lenses all list ED elements when they have them. No focus limiting either. This lens is more than simply a rebranded Tamron lens. I'm not arguing with you, but when you look at the diagrams of the Tamron and the Pentax side by side, they look exactly the same. I guess I wonder if you can just pull out a regular element and replace it with an ED element and otherwise not change the optical formula? I'm asking, because I honestly don't know. My impression with this lens was that it was basically the Tamron lens, with the VC taken out, a focus limiter, and with Pentax coatings.

02-10-2020, 09:52 AM	#15
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by gaweidert Any description of the Tamron lens I see lists no ED elements. The Pentax version has three ED elements. The DPReview article of the Tamron on lens lists no ED elements. They do mention that CA can be eliminated in post processing. The higher end Tamron lenses all list ED elements when they have them. No focus limiting either. This lens is more than simply a rebranded Tamron lens. Originally posted by Rondec I'm not arguing with you, but when you look at the diagrams of the Tamron and the Pentax side by side, they look exactly the same. I guess I wonder if you can just pull out a regular element and replace it with an ED element and otherwise not change the optical formula? I'm asking, because I honestly don't know. My impression with this lens was that it was basically the Tamron lens, with the VC taken out, a focus limiter, and with Pentax coatings. From Tamron's own description of the 70-210/4: Quote: ...provides superb optical performance throughout the entire zoom range. Applying three LD (Low Dispersion) lens elements...