bad banding with k20d

debbie · 05-19-2008, 03:25 PM

today my k20d started generating this vertical banding on a lot of pictures. Totally random it seems. Have anyone seen this before or know what it could be??
I shot on iso 100-200 and using short exposures too. And it was RAW/DNG...

any ideas??

benjikan · 05-19-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by debbie

today my k20d started generating this vertical banding on a lot of pictures. Totally random it seems. Have anyone seen this before or know what it could be??
I shot on iso 100-200 and using short exposures too. And it was RAW/DNG...

any ideas??

Check your SD card download speed. How long have you had the camera. That looks like a TV screen.

debbie · 05-19-2008, 03:36 PM

I´ve had it for 5 days. The SD card speed should be 6mb/sec (if that is what you mean) And yes, it looks like shit!!

*isteve · 05-19-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by debbie

I´ve had it for 5 days. The SD card speed should be 6mb/sec (if that is what you mean) And yes, it looks like shit!!

Try another SD card and card reader and if you still have issues, send it back. The only way you would normally get that sort of pattern is from high levels of radio frequency interference. This can come about because of a poor contact in the camera or poorly applied shielding or a very old mobile phone or you live next door to a sub-station!

Is it just the one shot or all of them?

debbie · 05-19-2008, 03:44 PM

No it is several shots, They came in groups. Like 4-5 in a row and then it disappeard for like 30 shots, and came back again.
The bands were visible already in the camera.

ricardobeat · 05-19-2008, 05:41 PM

Most likely a defective sensor, I'd get a replacement.

Peacekeeper · 05-19-2008, 09:13 PM

Ricardo,

How were you able to narrow the fault down to the sensor and not some other factor?

Obrigado

PK

spyglass · 05-19-2008, 11:13 PM

Does the problem appear only in raw photos or in Jpeg as well (if it does not occur in both chances are it is not the sensor)

Can you see the lines on the camera's display screen or only after you download the images to your computer. (could be bad cable or software issue)

Is the battery at full or near full charge?

Did you try formatting the memory card to make sure that its file structure is not corrupt. (6Mb/sec sounds like a slow low end memory card, with a K20 I would suggest that you get a fast card to handle the large image files, something closer to 20Mb/sec)

I would be interested to know what you find out

debbie · 05-19-2008, 11:43 PM

so far its only in RAW it appears. Its visible in the camera display and the battery was not fully charged.
The SD card was formatted once. And about the SD card, its a san disk ultra II so it works with 15mb/sec.
I took several shots today and nothing appeard yet. I took out the card and the battery and put it back in. Maybe it was some kind of bad connection issue. Anyway I will go on and see if it appears again.
Yesterday it kept coming several times so...

I let you know
(and thanks for the answers!!)

little laker · 05-20-2008, 12:07 AM

If you got the card through an on-line store I'd almost bet that it's a fake

And the fakes have been known to cause many similar problems.

benjikan · 05-20-2008, 12:51 AM

Since the camera is new....Send it back to avoid any doubts you may have. That is what I would do.

Ben

Jaleel · 05-20-2008, 01:19 AM

I think it is an sd card problem, not camera

jdg · 05-20-2008, 02:31 AM

How would an SD card cause this kind of problem?

Jasvox · 05-20-2008, 02:41 AM

Easy, quick way to prove or disprove the SD card may be at fault is to swap it out and take about 100 shots and see if the problem persists.

If it is evident with another card, send the camera back and get a replacement.

Jason

debbie · 05-21-2008, 02:05 PM

yes, it was the sd card. I changed it to a 5 year old kingston card. Check out the difference!!
the same settings on the camera with a 30sec exposure
100% view detail...
the old kingston

and the new card

05-19-2008, 03:25 PM	#1
debbie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: stockholm Photos: Albums Posts: 111	bad banding with k20d today my k20d started generating this vertical banding on a lot of pictures. Totally random it seems. Have anyone seen this before or know what it could be?? I shot on iso 100-200 and using short exposures too. And it was RAW/DNG... any ideas??

05-21-2008, 02:05 PM	#15
debbie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: stockholm Photos: Albums Posts: 111 Original Poster	changed sd card yes, it was the sd card. I changed it to a 5 year old kingston card. Check out the difference!! the same settings on the camera with a 30sec exposure 100% view detail... the old kingston and the new card

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05-19-2008, 03:30 PM	#2
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by debbie today my k20d started generating this vertical banding on a lot of pictures. Totally random it seems. Have anyone seen this before or know what it could be?? I shot on iso 100-200 and using short exposures too. And it was RAW/DNG... any ideas?? Check your SD card download speed. How long have you had the camera. That looks like a TV screen.

05-19-2008, 03:36 PM	#3
debbie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: stockholm Photos: Albums Posts: 111 Original Poster	I´ve had it for 5 days. The SD card speed should be 6mb/sec (if that is what you mean) And yes, it looks like shit!!

05-19-2008, 03:41 PM	#4
*isteve Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 1,187	Originally posted by debbie I´ve had it for 5 days. The SD card speed should be 6mb/sec (if that is what you mean) And yes, it looks like shit!! Try another SD card and card reader and if you still have issues, send it back. The only way you would normally get that sort of pattern is from high levels of radio frequency interference. This can come about because of a poor contact in the camera or poorly applied shielding or a very old mobile phone or you live next door to a sub-station! Is it just the one shot or all of them?

05-19-2008, 03:44 PM	#5
debbie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: stockholm Photos: Albums Posts: 111 Original Poster	No it is several shots, They came in groups. Like 4-5 in a row and then it disappeard for like 30 shots, and came back again. The bands were visible already in the camera.

05-19-2008, 05:41 PM	#6
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	Most likely a defective sensor, I'd get a replacement.

05-19-2008, 09:13 PM	#7
Peacekeeper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Back at work :( Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	Ricardo, How were you able to narrow the fault down to the sensor and not some other factor? Obrigado PK

05-19-2008, 11:13 PM	#8
spyglass Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 747	Does the problem appear only in raw photos or in Jpeg as well (if it does not occur in both chances are it is not the sensor) Can you see the lines on the camera's display screen or only after you download the images to your computer. (could be bad cable or software issue) Is the battery at full or near full charge? Did you try formatting the memory card to make sure that its file structure is not corrupt. (6Mb/sec sounds like a slow low end memory card, with a K20 I would suggest that you get a fast card to handle the large image files, something closer to 20Mb/sec) I would be interested to know what you find out

05-19-2008, 11:43 PM	#9
debbie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: stockholm Photos: Albums Posts: 111 Original Poster	so far its only in RAW it appears. Its visible in the camera display and the battery was not fully charged. The SD card was formatted once. And about the SD card, its a san disk ultra II so it works with 15mb/sec. I took several shots today and nothing appeard yet. I took out the card and the battery and put it back in. Maybe it was some kind of bad connection issue. Anyway I will go on and see if it appears again. Yesterday it kept coming several times so... I let you know (and thanks for the answers!!)

05-20-2008, 12:07 AM	#10
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	If you got the card through an on-line store I'd almost bet that it's a fake And the fakes have been known to cause many similar problems.

05-20-2008, 12:51 AM	#11
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Since the camera is new....Send it back to avoid any doubts you may have. That is what I would do. Ben

05-20-2008, 01:19 AM	#12
Jaleel Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Moscow, Russia Photos: Gallery Posts: 73	I think it is an sd card problem, not camera

05-20-2008, 02:31 AM	#13
jdg Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cavite, Philippines Posts: 85	How would an SD card cause this kind of problem?

05-20-2008, 02:41 AM	#14
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Easy, quick way to prove or disprove the SD card may be at fault is to swap it out and take about 100 shots and see if the problem persists. If it is evident with another card, send the camera back and get a replacement. Jason