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| 11-20-2011, 09:51 PM | #271 |
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Thursday....... not the dark jazz club - but a new (to me) venue - started with flash assisted shots - then realized there was enough available light - and the shots turned out surprisingly well -   had to reduce saturation - otherwise the person would have been too red.  this was a flash assisted shot. -1 stop flash comp; Tv @ 1/6sec; ISO500.   Saturday -  very orange lighting - this shot was one of the few that seem to get the white balance right - still can't figure out why.   some shots had to have flash otherwise they would have been just orange wash...... Saturday continued - was kind of apprehensive about this gig because this was one of places where I was encountering overwhelming LED lighting -  the gig started as I was dreading (talking about being careful about what one wished for...) had to reduce saturation and add green to tame the magenta. Then I noticed the lights were getting rather good for photography:  then later I saw the lighting person (in training) and told him how good the lights were - his reply was it's because he saw me - WoW! what a compliment!        even when strong colors were used - they were still well done......  I was so pleased with my set of photos - I had to go back to thank the lighting person and compliment him on such good lighting........ | |
| 11-21-2011, 05:04 PM | #272 |
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This one is my favorite: That is one purty left-handed arch-top. | |
| 11-21-2011, 10:38 PM | #273 |
 Originally posted by spanky  This one is my favorite: That is one purty left-handed arch-top. That is Grant Green Jr. son of the legendary jazz guitarist (Grant Green on Wikipedia, and Grant Green Jr on Wikipedia) and custom guitar specifically for him.  Nov/29/2009 - just a few days after I got my K-x...... daylight.....   this is a "ringer" -  (Canon G10 compact) EDIT to ADD - detail of head stock:  cropped from this shot:  also a "ringer" from Canon G10 Last edited by UnknownVT; 11-22-2011 at 11:00 AM. | |
| 11-24-2011, 08:06 PM | #274 |
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Interesting evening - night before Thanksgiving...... Strong colored (tungsten) lighting -  available light (no flash) - I was surprised that the AWB shot turned out to be the best (I also tried tungsten and warm white fluorescent balances) - the amber gel light on left was turned to point upwards - so the main light on stage center was blue gel. No flash -  although the bright over-exposed hand might lead one to think this was a flash shot - but look back at the opening stage shot to see the main light shone on the hand and guitar...... However -  this is a flash assisted shot...... Next venue, even stronger color lighting (color tungsten flood bulbs) -  tungsten white balance (AWB would be too red/orange) however some tungsten balanced shots were too blue - so the K-x was not being very consistent - and perhaps was still doing some (auto) white balancing....  flash assisted shot - but even then the balance was still too red/orange - had to reduce saturation to get the right balance. I think I am beginning to get the handle on using flash on the K-x as a supplementary fill light - but I think the K-x tends to over saturate colors even on "Natural" image tone - so my processing is different to the many years I did with the Canon compacts - with the K-x I often have to use either enhance lighting/fill-light/flash or reduce saturation - whereas I did not have to use either with the Canon compacts - for my usage with supplemental flash the Canon compacts (5 of them over 10 years) were all superior to my K-x - none of them took as long to get a handle on as this K-x. | |
| 11-25-2011, 06:32 PM | #275 |
| 11-25-2011, 10:17 PM | #276 |
| Originally posted by spanky FWIW, re. saturation and the k-x, I get a wide range of saturation results depending on the lens I'm using. My SMC 50mm 1.4, gets very over-saturated results. The 16-45mm 4 usually under-saturates. The glass in the fifty is still yellow, which I suspect may have something to do with that. In any event, I wonder if the difference you're seeing is due to the glass. I only have the two humble kit zooms 18-55 and 50-200 - they both behave the same and I don't have any problems with regular daylight pics. The differences in saturation between lenses is normally a relatively subtle thing - whereas I am talking about quite gross over-saturation. It is only with overwhelming color wash lighting that I find the K-x tends to over-saturate - one might say what can I expect? well 5 Canon compacts over a 10 year period - didn't have that problem.  as-is no saturation adjustment - remember this is a flash assisted shot. reduced saturation: | |
| 12-04-2011, 01:44 AM | #277 |
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Thursday's dark jazz club - may seem like very challenging - but I now find it a real pleasure to shoot there - of course there's the music first - but it is nice to be able to see (preview) the shot in the (optical) viewfinder. Contrast that with so many clubs I attend these days with strong LED lighting - where it is hard to preview the shot and I seem these days to be waiting for BOTH the right pose AND acceptable lighting. Well, like someone said (me actually) - if it were that easy everybody and their cousins would be doing it........  Pleasure (with challenge)  lighting seem darker more subdued this week.....  look on first scene setting pic to see the level of light ......   Friday - an entirely different proposition - LED magenta lighting -  ISO500; Tv 1/6sec; -1 stop flash comp. pp: enhance lighting/fill-flash, reduce saturation, add back some orange so guitar looks right.   not the same shot - but they do look similar - eagle eyed among us may have noticed the first of this pair is not in 3:2 aspect ratio but in 4:3 - which is a big hint that it wasn't from the K-x or any APS-C dSLR - it is in fact from one of the cheapest p&s compacts - the Canon A1200..... (an almost auto everything p&s - on P; AutoISO; -1 stop overall comp; slow-sync flash) Canon PowerShot A1200 one of the cheapest p&s currently available (cost me all of $88 new) it is auto almost everything - except for P mode adjustments for ISO, and exp comp - that's it...... However it is one of the very few compact with a real optical viewfinder - since my Canon G10 compact broke I have missed having a compact at strong lighting venues - I'm waiting for the replacement for the G12 (now a year old) - in the meantime this A1200 may fill that craving/gap Similarly:   this time the lower shot is from the p&s - as is this one -  Don't worry I had plenty of failures with the p&s - I was struggling - I realize it's new to me (first day) but I was kind of disappointed that I could not quite just pick up where I left off with the Canon G10 - that is until I realized I posted as many photos from the A1200 as I did from the K-x. A1200's optical viewfinder was very small, squint-y - and critical of eye centering - the K-x optical viewfinder was big and bright and a pleasure in contrast. Operation buttons are small and fiddly - because the camera is tiny and light  3.84x2.46 x1.21in / 97.5x62.5x30.7mm; 6.53oz./185g (including the battery and memory card) and the placement of the shutter button to the left and inside of the mode dial is somewhat disconcerting. The A1200 chooses much higher ISO even with flash - unlike the G10 which sets ISO250....... ...anyway I'm sure I eventually get the hang of it..... back to the K-x -  in the back behind people and in the dark. Flash shot. Another strongly magenta shot.....  same reduce saturation, and add back some orange to correct guitar coloring..... Last edited by UnknownVT; 12-05-2011 at 12:47 PM. | |
| 12-10-2011, 03:46 PM | #278 |
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another Thursday - 2 gig-er  had to dodge clarinetist otherwise he'd be burnt out. taking a plunge?   believe it or not... this was not posed -  merely caught him looking from his charts back to the rest of the band - just a lucky shot. of course dark jazz club...  it's not just how dark it is - it's the light distribution. Look at the guitarist on the right - he's supposed to be one of the featured soloists..... I resorted to using slow-sync fill flash at -2 stop comp (the lowest I could go) but still not that satisfactory - Below is a no flash shot - had to wait for him to move/turn so that light was reflected to his face....  had to bring up brightness a lot for this shot - so had to do a bit of minimal deNoise too.... Of course if this was not difficult enough - he's still playing back in his corner....   enough light..... but lots of movement | |
| 12-12-2011, 01:35 AM | #279 |
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2 gig-er on Saturday (well, actually it was 4 - but I only used the K-x on 2) Christmas show -        singer was facing away on the original - I copied and pasted a crop in the same series to get this composite. Dark jazz club - it was packed so I could not get around to shoot from my usual angles - similar awkward distribution of light - so Thursday was the live rehearsal of this main gig.......   there's camera movement - it's instinctive for me to follow the movement when shooting, then pause and follow through/hold still after the shot - but I didn't quite manage it....... No camera shake, but plenty of subject movement -  Guitarist in the dark AND facing the wrong way...... remember because of the capacity crowd I could not get round to shoot from his front....  whatever works.......  | |
| 12-12-2011, 10:45 AM | #281 |
| Originally posted by rawr Damn. Atlanta sure seems to be where it's at for interesting shows and live music. and thought that was good. But Atlanta has that beat hands down - my centric music is blues, and being a southern state it is prevalent. My record was 24 gigs in one week - this means over 3 gigs per night. Last Saturday happened to fall into place, so I went to 4 venues - just two "ringer" shots from my new Canon A1200 ($88) compact from the other two gigs -  this was actually from sound check, as I had to leave early to get to the Christmas spectacular..... when the jazz gig ended at 12:30am - I realized I could actually get to this 4th gig in time...  both are slow sync built-in flash. The last shot is a 1 sec exposure (er-hum) | |
| 12-17-2011, 12:28 PM | #282 |
 the blue under the guitar neck is from the led indicator from his control pedal on the floor......  awkward distribution of light and a hat..... not a complaint - it's what makes the picture!  he's pretty well lit... wish I knew what he was drinking...  shot of the night -  off stage action -  on stage -  great playing   this is a "ringer" - not quite as good as the K-x - but not that far off - (from my new $88 Canon A1200 p&s....... FWIW - ISO800; f/2.8; 1/3sec; 5mm -1 stop exp comp - handheld no SR) | |
| 12-20-2011, 12:30 AM | #283 |
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Pretty unusual - two gigs on a Sunday night..... A Hootenanny -  18mm (27mm equiv) never seems wide enough sometimes - but here it's just right and here...              next gig was only a walk away -  yes, LED magenta - but it didn't seem to destroy the details - didn't check, but perhaps some green was dialed in   Last edited by UnknownVT; 12-20-2011 at 11:07 AM. | |
| 12-31-2011, 10:43 AM | #284 |
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still dark..... somehow just seemed darker than usual -   some really superb playing just on invented vamps -   some subject movement - it may actually be better this way.....  lucky shot .....  | |
| 01-01-2012, 10:13 PM | #285 |
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Happy 2012 everyone! Two NYE gigs -  packed house - there was a line out of the door - but still dark   light on back of head - face in shadow..... darkest part of stage -  well lit from his front -  but I'm at side and cannot move around because of the capacity house - however this probably was the better lighting for photography....  MoFro (w JJ Grey)  so crowded - I was lucky to get this shot:  that lower right corner is someone's head.....  phoned his Mom -  | |
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