Originally posted by RiceHigh That's what I think too. Especially about the cripped K-mount and traditional TTL flash support, which are the two major dirty spot which Pentax made to us, their long-time old users and supporters.
But then Pentax can really force their users to buy newer lenses and flashes by doing so in certain extents. However, their shortsighting makes them sell less cameras and they forget they are not Canon and Nikon and even they do the same thing as C and N, the effect and outcomes will not be the same!
I'm a noob to the industry, but a few cripples versus little to no legacy support on some C&N models is not quite the same thing.
Originally posted by Donald I chose "stay a niche player" but lean towards in between that and " Pentax (cameras) will get ever stronger".
Canon and Nikon are tremendous competitors for Hoya-Pentax to tackle and probably never will. But if Hoya can instill better, western marketing and sales management then probably some of that income will go to better technology development and acquisition.
I think those who suggest Hoya will dump or sell Pentax camera business speak with their heart not their head.
People also need to remember that Pentax has
also entered the Point'n Shoot market, hovering at the $100 price point!
That can't be good for business, and that might be most of what Hoya means by sticking with the "higher end camera" business.
They need to have 1-2 solid products -- like they do with the K100D and K10D now -- and go on volume.
As I mentioned before, Pentax's dSLR sales in 2006 December versus those now in 2007 April/May
are worlds of difference with a 250% increase over the year prior with the ist D and others.
So, in the worst case on those statements, I see Hoya milking the existing 6MP (K100D) and 10MP (K10D) designs, maybe coming out with one more 10MP, improved APS-C sized model after the K10D.
Maybe that's what they want to do while producing a few more APS-C lenses, and then dropping the line, if the sales don't keep going to make it worth their while to maintain at least a single, "higher end' APS-C sized sensor.
In either case, I see those of us entering the dSLR arena with the K100D possibly being the "last generation."
Maybe they are really looking at seeing if they are going to stick with full frame, or maybe just drop completely into the medium format and nothing else.
Maybe they'll introduce yet another "cripple" K-mount to push newer lens sales for the newer full frame cameras, but I really don't see them doing much more.
While there is a lot of M, AF, etc... glass out there, I see Hoya still seeing a lot of glass regardless.
Originally posted by Donald Hoya, I have learned from all the babble, is Japan's biggest optical glass maker. It is still to some degree good business sense to have some vertical integration, therefore I think it's probably very attractive for an optical glass manufacturer to also own and manage an optical lens design manufacturer: leverage your product portfolio, especially the Japanese 'keep it in the family' practice.
As someone who works in technology product development, from experience companies with both a popular or retail products division and a medical or similar niche industrial technology division often use income from the former to fund the latter. Revenue is often higher, more consistent and predictable, however profit margins are lower compared to medical or similar niche industrial technology products. These have extremely high development costs, limited customers and very seasonal or cyclical purchasing patterns. Often service and parts fees add significant %age to income. As well, growth potential often is estimated quite high, as opposed to often lower for mass market popular or retail products. On paper then, a niche industrial technology division, like medical optical products, looks more attractive to the investment and M&A crowd. Numerous examples of technology company acquisitions have shown that one can't survive without the other or similar model as replacement. Acquiring companies and casual onlookers often fail to account for this.
And as an American engineer who deals with American businesses all-the-time, it's hard to get them to stick with a solid market that still makes them money -- no matter how much I make the sell on microeconomics and risk.
They only stick with it when it screws over the customer, but screw them just short of "too much" so they will still buy the required, new products.
Now that's American businesses market, so I don't know what a Japanese company will do.
If I was in charge, I would drop the entire Point'n Shoot line, consider if the entry-level dSLR is worth it, which really depends on what Pentax is doing at the high-end.
Right now the K100D and K10D are an excellent $500-1,000 1-2 punch that is selling new DA glass, and sales are up -- way, way up -- something Hoya is not doing well to address right now, after talking when the outlook was more bleak in December.
But if Hoya sees a limited future for that, again, I think they will continue to milk the existing 6MP products and then possibly only a revision of the 10MP product before dropping.
I don't see how they couldn't with the volume now -- especially selling newer, lighter glass in the APS-C -- at least for the next few years.
But maybe they only see a future of $1,000+ products, and maybe that means sticking with full-frame, possibly getting on with finally releasing a medium format.
If that is the case, I'm not worried since Hoya will still probably keep the K-mount going, and I'll still have products do use on even the K100D.
I plan on keeping the K100D for a long, long time, even if I hand it down to my wife in 5 years.
Because if Hoya keeps Pentax moving forward, even if efficiently (1-2 products) while still keeping some glass compatibility, I'll probably buy one of their $1,000+ products in 5 years when I want to move beyond the K100D.
Just my view -- an utter SLR noob, but an engineer who sees the sense in Hoya not dropping the camera products, especially since sales have changed from December.
Hoya better realize that, before they really do lose out on some very profitable moves with their current, 6-month aged comments.