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Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 3 Days Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 92
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Personally, I don't think it's so much that the manufacturers have lost their way (as suggested in the original post)... rather, I think that in solving so many different photographer's problems, they're creating ever more complex devices packed to overflowing with functionality and user-configurable settings. I wonder how many folks (a) need all of those functions, (b) can spend enough time to learn and experiment with them thoroughly, (c) can apply them quickly and effectively whilst staying present and artistically-focused in the moment, and (d) will then use them regularly enough to remember everything they learned.

I suspect a significant number of us only want and/or need a fraction of the functionality and performance offered in the latest cameras, and are served perfectly well by older models we've owned and used for years - which doesn't help the manufacturers to sell new gear. My own cameras should hopefully last several more years before I need to think about replacing them, but when I do, I can't imagine what I'll buy - because all the current options, impressive though they are, leave me cold due to the learning curve... so heaven knows what future choices will look like if development continues on the same trajectory. Of course, I suspect I could use any of them in a more basic fashion, but I'd be paying for a great deal of functionality I'll never use, and putting up with a lot of (to me) unnecessary clutter :o

Reading between the lines of the original post and putting my own slant on it, I wonder if there's a case for one or more manufacturers offering "simpler and better" instead of "more"... Maybe, maybe not - but It might pique my interest if they did...
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 3 Days Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By Tony Belding
Replies: 92
Views: 3,029
Well, that's never going to happen. No camera will ever be able to read your mind and know what is your idea of a "perfect shot" or what you're trying to get out of a shot when you take it. When you shoot motion, it doesn't know if you want to freeze motion or create a motion-blur effect, both of which are perfectly valid decisions. When you shoot a scene with lots of contrast, the camera doesn't know if you want to compress it and preserve every detail in the highlights and shadows, or if you are going for some chiaroscuro effect. Camera companies come up with controls to try and tell the camera what you want. . . But then you end up with 20 different shooting modes and a complex interface to switch between them, and you'd be better off just taking manual control and doing what you want directly with aperture, shutter speed and ISO gain.


This is one reason why I just shake my head at all the obsession over ever-more-complicated (and often confusing) autofocus modes, AI autofocus modes, bazillion AF points, AF joysticks or touch screens, etc. I guess tracking matters if you shoot a lot of moving subjects, like sports, etc. For most of my purposes, though, central point focus-and-recompose (just like I learned with my old 35mm SLR split prism) is simple, fast and ensures that the focus is where I want it.

One technology advance I would like to see is a 12-bit AVIF shooting mode. Then your camera could output a finished, ready-to-use file with lens correction, style, filters and such already baked in (like JPEG), but also retain more malleability for editing (more like raw).
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 4 Days Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 92
Views: 3,029
Because they have a commercial need to get the shot, and that takes priority.



Sure... but I guess this is where we split into different types of photographer. For me, it's the challenge that I enjoy - having to employ whatever skills I've learned and practised to capture the shot successfully... and I get a little buzz every time a photo comes out the way I wanted, or a little disappointment when it doesn't - and motivation to improve my skills. Others - like the professionals I mentioned - are more interested in the end result, and they'll happily accept and use all the help a camera can give them to get that perfect shot. I'm not suggesting they don't like a challenge or apply skills - of course they do - but they prioritise a successful shot over the process and challenges that I find enjoyable...

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EDIT: Photography involves (or can involve) both artistic (creative) and technical (execution) skills. The artistic elements are an essential requirement in any good photo taken with any camera. The technical elements vary with the equipment and modes used.

Although some smartphone camera apps include a so-called "professional" mode that provides some degree of control, essentially they're highly automated tools that require little or nothing in the way of technical skills (much like the fully automatic point-and-shoot compact cameras of yesteryear), as they make all the hard decisions for you. A 1960s film SLR, on the other hand, has no electronic and very little mechanical automation - no metering linked exposure (often, no metering at all), and no auto-focus... just one "mode" - fully manual. This type of camera requires some technical skill and understanding of photography fundamentals in order to capture a well-exposed and well-focused shot, and responsibility for success or failure lies entirely with the photographer.

Over the years, film and then digital cameras evolved to offer greater levels of assistance and automation for exposure and focusing (amongst other things)... and I admit, I use some of these. Whilst I often shoot in M mode and control everything myself, I frequently use TAv and occasionally Av, as they allow me to concentrate on creative aspects of a shot and react to lighting, scene and subject changes more quickly than I might in fully manual mode. I also use auto-focus - primarily single centre-point in AF.S, with a focus-and-recompose approach - but occasionally I'll use other focus points or areas, and even AF.C. So I'm not against the concept of automation per se... but the level of automation I personally prefer is fairly low compared to the increasing plethora of features and functions packed into today's cameras (a 2006-vintage K10D, for example, has everything I need functionally). I'm comfortable with the balance of automation and technical skill required to produce successful shots, and I feel the majority of my successes and failures are still largely my own responsibility as the photographer.

My issue with recent cameras - and this isn't a criticism of them, or those who like them... it's just personal preferences - is that complex automation and even A.I. are playing ever-expanding roles in the technical execution aspects of photography, such that the responsibility for success or failure is increasingly delegated to the camera... and I don't want that. I don't want a black box I can simply point at any subject, in any situation, and capture a technically perfect shot because the camera did lots of clever things. Whilst the resulting image might have value to me, I'd gain little enjoyment from the process of capturing it - but I realise we're individuals... we each have different opinions on the value of increased technical innovation in digital cameras, and the aspects of photography that are important to us. I do think, however, there's a significant portion of the photographic community who, like me, prefer a more basic and less-cluttered feature set with far less assistance / automation and resulting complexity than the latest cameras deliver...
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 5 Days Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By jcdoss
Replies: 92
Views: 3,029
Maybe the industry is running out of things to upgrade. Today's mirrorless seem to be able to take photos by themselves with impeccable quality... what more is there to want? I'm still totally enthralled by my K-1 mII cameras, and even though I'd like to see Pentax show some signs of life by releasing an upgrade, it's doubtful that I'll get one unless something seriously goes wrong with mine.
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 04-06-2024, 05:13 AM  
When would you use AF-S (Discuss)
Posted By ramseybuckeye
Replies: 16
Views: 1,062
This nails it. I would also add that even when not recomposing, sometimes there are other things like leaves moving in the wind, birds flying through that could cause refocusing in AF-C. I have user modes set up with both methods, the one with AF-S has a single focus spot, the AF-C has multiple. But of course sometimes situations make me change on the fly, which is pretty easy.
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 04-06-2024, 05:00 AM  
When would you use AF-S (Discuss)
Posted By pschlute
Replies: 16
Views: 1,062
Not specifically related to the K3 III but I only ever use AF-C when tracking a moving subject (runner/car/dog). For most of my other photography I will always use AF-S.

If you are using a focus/recompose method to take a shot of a static subject, AF-C will often focus on the wrong spot. I know a number of photographers like to use back-button AF only, and so when focussed on the subject will release the AF button and then any recompose will not affect the AF. I prefer to use shutter button half-press for focus, so AF-C would not work for me in this situation.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 03-22-2024, 03:50 AM  
Annie Leibovitz not worried about AI
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 41
Views: 1,761
I'm not sure I agree... It's certainly described and feared in rather unrealistic "Terminator" movie-style terms... you know, rise of the machines, robots taking over the world etc. The reality is less cinematic and extreme, less blatant (much of it hidden from view), apparently mundane in many of its applications (on the surface, at least), and subject to levels of human control - whether manually or programmatically - in terms of the data it's fed or allowed to consume, how it "learns" from that data and what it does with it, and how we use any output it produces. The problem is, we humans are flawed... very, very flawed. We're not always as diligent as we might be... we make mistakes... and - driven by power, money, coercion or simply poor character - some of us have questionable or downright nefarious intentions. On top of that, with distributed and cloud computing, realtime failover systems and data centres, and automatically rerouting networks, we have "self-healing" systems that are remarkably difficult to simply disable. As such, we relinquish a considerable amount of immediate control. We can't just switch AI systems off at a wall socket.

Some laymans' fears of AI - the type that are spread and hyped by the tabloid press - are undoubtedly silly... but the real potential risks and ramifications are every bit as frightening, depending on your viewpoint...
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 03-22-2024, 01:22 AM  
Annie Leibovitz not worried about AI
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 41
Views: 1,761
A celebrated photographer Annie Leibovitz may be... an expert on AI she is not. She's entitled to her opinion, of course, and in this case it clearly pertains to a very narrow use-case in photographic processing. It's perhaps an understandable viewpoint from someone who is already long-established, with a large body of readily-identifiable work behind her, in the latter stages of her career. There's little threat to her or her work.

She states, "you realize at a certain point, when you have children as well, that you need to step up and be there for the next generation [of artists and photographers]". I wonder how she'd feel if her kids or grandkids were:
- made redundant from jobs supplanted by AI-based technologies
- deep-faked into obscene images, videos and audio "recordings"
- algorithmically profiled and discriminated against by businesses or the state
- maimed or killed (accidentally or otherwise) by autonomous vehicles or weaponry
These and far more are all quite possible - and some are already occurring - due to the evolution, misuse and/or lack of appropriate controls in the underlying AI technologies.

These aren't new risks, of course... employees have been replaced by machinery or systems, folks have been edited into compromising media, personal data has been shared and misused by businesses and government organisations, and automated machinery has failed with catastrophic (often fatal) effects, long before AI came along; but the sheer scope and scale of it - enabled by the processing power of modern distributed computing and ever-increasing breadth / depth of source data - amplifies and extends the risks and implications far beyond anything we've previously experienced.

Annie may not be worried, but when some of those at the very heart of AI's development are, I'd say there's every reason to be concerned...
Forum: Mini-Challenges, Games, and Photo Stories 03-19-2024, 02:16 PM  
Thematic Flickr Explored
Posted By Des
Replies: 2,109
Views: 168,548
Satin Bowerbird (female). K-3iii + FA*300mm f4.5



Explored 18 March 2024 #216
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 03-18-2024, 11:45 AM  
K3 Mark III sunset photos
Posted By UncleVanya
Replies: 19
Views: 1,284
Wait. I’m not saying raw is required. I’m saying make the most of the color by underexposing some and set white balance to maximize the colors you do get. Raw is useful in this situation but hardly required.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 03-06-2024, 09:10 AM  
I want to support Pentax, but…
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 251
Views: 9,041
Gloat all you want, my friend. You've every right... It was a steal ;)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 03-06-2024, 09:04 AM  
I want to support Pentax, but…
Posted By pschlute
Replies: 251
Views: 9,041
Like my K-1 II + DFA 100 Macro purchase that I promised I wouldn't gloat about ever again :lol:
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 03-06-2024, 09:01 AM  
I want to support Pentax, but…
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 251
Views: 9,041
Patience is also a great way to save money. Many of my Pentax lenses were bought new during seasonal, promotional or clearance discount events for well below normal street price, and in some cases less than typical used prices online. I had to wait several months for a few of them to hit price levels I was comfortable with, and almost two years for one particular lens - but they weren't essential to my photography at the time, so I could afford to wait. Others were spur of the moment purchases when I came across deals I simply couldn't pass up :D

Buying older or outgoing models saves money too. I bought my K-3II just before it was discontinued, for a ridiculously low price...
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 03-05-2024, 11:33 PM  
I want to support Pentax, but…
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 251
Views: 9,041
This really has nothing to do with Pentax or any other brand individually... it applies to all of them.

It may seem cold-hearted of me to say so, but I don't feel we bear any responsibility to support or show loyalty to brands - except perhaps for a self-serving one, where we feel it's in our interests for them to prosper and survive such that we have continued access to their products. We're not talking about charitable foundations here, or small "Mom 'n' Pop" enterprises providing vital supplies or services to local communities - both of which arguably deserve our support... No, these are medium-to-large-size businesses whose primary goal is to make profits for the owners or shareholders by moving money from our pockets to theirs. It's entirely on them to make and sell products we find attractive, and up to us whether we spend our hard-earned money on them.

Buy a new product from a reputable in-country retailer, and you enjoy the benefits of consumer protection laws, after-sales support, an easy returns policy and process at minimal shipping cost, manufacturer's warranty covering manufacturing defects and faults developing from normal reasonable use, the option of purchasing an extended warranty, and the certainty that no-one has misused, abused, fiddled with or poorly stored the product before it reaches you. Of course, if you decide to flip the item quickly, you'll lose out to depreciation... but otherwise, the risks are minimal (within the warranty period, at least). You pay a considerable premium for these benefits, and that's fair enough.

Buy a used product, and it's very much a case of "caveat emptor"... buyer beware. It's impossible to know an item's true condition based on the seller's description and external appearances, the convenience and cost of returns varies considerably depending on the type and location of the seller, your consumer protections and remedies in the event of dissatisfaction or subsequent failure are far more limited, and you've no way of knowing the product's detailed background - how carefully or carelessly it was handled, carried, used and stored (and in what conditions) by the previous owner(s), its service and repair history etc. A used product may appear to be in great condition and could last for years - but if it fails within a few short months, you'll most likely have to take that on the chin. If it lasts, when you come to sell it the depreciation on used gear is likely to be less severe. Overall, though, the risks and potential for disappointment are greater - but you pay far less for such products, and that's fair too.

I'll say again, this has nothing to do with individual brands - the benefits and pitfalls of buying new and used equipment apply to them all. Buying new gives you greater peace of mind and the joy of owning a factory-fresh product, but is subject to faster depreciation. Buying used saves you money at the time of purchase and resale, but with increased risk. Which is the better option - and whether it's a good or bad financial decision - depends on your individual circumstances, priorities and risk appetite... not the brand. You pays your money and takes your choice... but there's no logical reason you should be more or less inclined to buy new with one brand compared to another if your budget allows. That just doesn't make sense.

If money were no object, I'd buy new from reputable in-country retailers every time, for the benefits already mentioned - but I don't have unlimited funds, photography is just a hobby for me, and I try to spend wisely... so - depending on my priorities and circumstances at any given time - I'll sometimes choose to buy used instead. When I do, it's always with a little trepidation and I set my expectations accordingly. For higher value items - more than a few hundred £ or $ - I'm more likely to buy new, or if I buy used then it's generally from an established and reputable in-country dealer that offers easy returns and 6+ months of warranty, or just occasionally a trusted individual whose honesty I know I can rely upon. For lower value items I'll quite happily buy used from any reasonable source, as I can more easily justify writing off the loss if they should fail or break unexpectedly in the short-to-medium term.

Regardless of brand, buy what you need, want and can afford, new or used, from the sources that suit you. Just be aware of the various benefits and pitfalls of your choices, and prepared to accept any consequences ;)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 03-05-2024, 04:56 PM  
I want to support Pentax, but…
Posted By Joetitch
Replies: 251
Views: 9,041
Get out and about with your Pentax gear and Pentax tshirt from this site and talk with people you meet about how Pentax works for you and this wonderful forum of helpful people. Spead the user base. If everyone on the planet bought one new Pentax item then you have helped 😄
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 03-05-2024, 04:55 PM  
I want to support Pentax, but…
Posted By pepperberry farm
Replies: 251
Views: 9,041
I spend my money where/when I want to - if Pentax closes up shop, it doesn't mean my K-3, GXR, or 645D will stop working the following day...
Forum: Repairs and Warranty Service 02-04-2024, 10:12 AM  
K3 iii water entry
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 72
Views: 2,764
That advertisement is, IMHO, irresponsible - and not just a little disingenuous. At 0:25 in the video - as the camera is being drenched - the text on-screen reads "WEATHER RESISTANT BODY. 92 PROTECTION SEALS"... It doesn't say "WATER PROOF", but "WEATHER RESISTANT". The visuals infer that it's perfectly OK to operate your camera in the wet; the text, however, is their "get out clause".

Ads like these set unrealistic expectations and encourage use that may sooner or later result in damage that isn't covered by the warranty. Thankfully, that video was for the K-3, released 10 years ago. Ricoh doesn't seem to be quite so cavalier in its advertising these days. Certainly, I've not seen anything similar for recent models...

EDIT: My own K-3 plus AW-rated lens has been drenched (worse than the advert shows) on a couple of occasions a few years ago. Each time I wiped it down thoroughly very soon afterwards and allowed it to air dry, and it continues to operate perfectly to this day... but it could so easily have gone the other way. I certainly wouldn't choose to put any of my supposedly weather-resistant cameras in such situations as a matter of course...
Forum: Pentax K-3 & K-3 II 02-02-2024, 08:26 AM  
Upgrading from K30 to K3ii
Posted By The Squirrel Mafia
Replies: 11
Views: 844
I went from a K-50 to a K-3II.

Pros:
  • Slightly better AF with semi-usable AF.C.

  • Slightly better SR.

  • Longer battery life.

  • Far quieter shutter & up to 1/8000 shutter speed. The K-50 has a massive "THWACK" sound.

  • Built like a tank. You can probably hammer nails with it.

  • Easier to change camera settings.

  • Astrophotography is a breeze with the GPS.

  • Has a remote sensor in front & rear of camera.

  • 2 SD card slots.

  • Heavy lenses like the DA* 16-50mm f/2.8 PLM or the DA* 11-18mm f/2.8 DC balance better, particularly with the battery grip.

Cons:
  • Heavier, especially when mounting the battery grip & a heavy lens.

  • Larger file sizes.

  • Though the image quality is very nice, I do feel that it has more color noise at higher ISO than the K-50.

  • You can't change any settings at all when mode control dial is set to "Green Mode". You're at the complete mercy of the camera. The K-50 allows you to change some settings when set to "AUTO".

Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II 01-29-2024, 02:29 PM  
Post your K-1 pictures!
Posted By Geoff_Lincs
Replies: 38,146
Views: 3,755,677
K1 Mark II with SMC-Pentax FA* 85mm F1.4 [IF]
Forum: Mini-Challenges, Games, and Photo Stories 01-17-2024, 04:49 PM  
Thematic Cliche perhaps, lets see Silhouettes
Posted By ramseybuckeye
Replies: 679
Views: 59,956
AM Sky by Tom Ramsey, on Flickr
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-28-2023, 12:42 AM  
Poll: Is it time to retire the “Pentax is DOOMED!!” Meme? The Best of PF Dec. 27 Poll
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 369
Views: 14,650
No, I hadn't forgotten them - personally, I tend to think of them as an experiment... one which Pentax didn't pursue further, choosing the PASM approach for the even later MZ-S "flagship" in 2001 - presumably because that's the way the market in general was headed (I don't know that for sure, I'm just guessing).
Forum: Mini-Challenges, Games, and Photo Stories 12-22-2023, 09:52 PM  
Thematic Wetness...If the Subject is Water
Posted By pepperberry farm
Replies: 2,271
Views: 182,733
rain drop by Pepperberry Farm, on Flickr
Forum: Pentax K-S1 & K-S2 11-11-2023, 01:25 PM  
Lenses KAF K
Posted By mlag
Replies: 5
Views: 628
This article gives lens chronology view
Lens glossary - knowing more about Pentax lenses ? PENTAX - Official Store
And this the camera mount view
The Evolution of the Pentax K-mount - Articles and Tips | PentaxForums.com

in essence the k mount started quite naked and gradually contacts etc were added to automate aperture/exposure and focus...
A camera with the 7 lens mount contacts and the 2 inside electronic ones is quite universal, but might need camera to be on the latest firmware for some recent lenses.
On digital cameras there are 2 major steps:
- electronic focus motors supported from K10D (almost all digital cameras, except earliest)
- electronic aperture control (latest 50% or so digital cameras , K-3 , K-50 KS-1 or later)
Hence the KS-1 supports even the most modern lenses with electronic aperture control, like Pentax K-S1 and HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm F4.5-6.3 ED PLM WR RE - Compatibility | PentaxForums.com so you are on safe side...but note the firmware notice.
If you need Software Downloads here

Older lenses will work also, but might be restricted as older lenses with manual focus or manual aperture control, as typical for their generation.
M or K lenses are manual
With an A in the name, auto exposure aperture is ok.
Autofocus came later... with F lenses or anything newer
Note also:
FA is for fullframe K1 or film camera sensor sizes , will work also on aps-c
DA is for smaller aps-c format only.
Forum: Pentax Full Frame 10-28-2023, 12:29 AM  
K1 II - not feeling the love anymore!
Posted By StiffLegged
Replies: 85
Views: 5,597
I’m going out this morning to photograph autumn colours. Will 20fps help? :confused:
Forum: Pentax Full Frame 10-28-2023, 01:40 AM  
K1 II - not feeling the love anymore!
Posted By Lord Lucan
Replies: 85
Views: 5,597
Everyone? Leave me out - I have no interest in shooting at 20 frames/sec or reason to do so, nor do I care about shutter noise.
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