Since you say you dont understand, I will try to explain one last time before I take this issue to the grave: adding just a wheel to an otherwise nearly flawless design, that adds redundant functionality is something very far from brilliant...
Just DONT TELL ME but ASK YOURSELF what :
what could you not do or set without the wheels in a matter of a second or or a bit more??
But pls UNDERSTAND I write this only as a matter of principle, since you really ASKED for it,
because,
I also already stated that I see it CAN be practical in some very rare situations, where a photographer wears very thick gloves.
Really I get it. Not such a bad thing. I dont see WHY "liking something as a whole" but also providing positive criticism about one or two points in that product, you may not like* (*or see is superfluous) ...is something that can not be understood?
If I wouldn't like to call myself a rational being,
I would go so far and ask WHAT point you are trying to make.
I also could go into details and EXPLAIN exactly what I do like in the K-3III design especially.
But since you havent read from the beginning I will just repeat what I already stated and you will get the long version of an answer to my points you seem to not understand,
since you really ASKED for it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SUMMARY
--> a) redundant functionality
--> b) corrupting the "rough and tough" principle.
(since its protruding - for the very own reason i would like the shoulder to be tilted)
And Pentax Designs (up to some point) tried to keep things pretty simple but also with a subtonal very modern touch,
and an overall look that some people may or may not call "INDUSTRIAL"
... AND THAT IS STILL THERE AND ALSO KEPT ALIVE IN ALL THE NEW BODIES
(for that point amongst other points I not only ""PURPORTED**"" to, but really love the design of the new K-3III.. )
Talking only for myself:
I just can not see, how one can be so upset, because someone other is not OK with a little detail in a design and makes his points...
... so you want to blame him to be irrational. why is that?
For me personally, THE WHOLE DESIGN does NOT consist of 2 elements that have not even existed in ANY pentax camera design up to 2016..
To me there is a bit more to a camera, and for that reason i said i liked the design.(which has several other reasons.)
I never said that there would be a not understandable 180° turn in design, so please dont start to blackpaint me.
Or do if you want to... I will not make further responses on such attempts since I'v seen how this ends in here so often.
As for your problem with understanding why I see a "fuji turn" in the "since Pentax K-1"-designs:
FOR ME PERSONALLY... :
They *(Fuji)
also do sacrifice "rough&tough"-integrity over stylistic elements.
for instance, ...
just look at their mechanical shutter release cable ..
its a pure fancy-schmanzy thing, and counteracts the sense in having a REMOTE
(which TODAY actually would be to have a release totally seperate from the camer so nothing can move, when you release)
another example... Shutter-Time-Dials....
One of the initial ideas behind front- and rear-e-dials
(if you think hu what is this, those are the dials right at your index finger and your thumb that have been present at least since the K-7)
was to get rid of such Shutter-Time-Dials...
They are __PER SE__ STYLISTIC ELEMENTS nowadays...
now take a straight look at some FUJI XT-3 from the front... put the K-1 next to it and look again.
then go and allage again that this is an irrational assumption.. :)
Or go and take a look just right here ---> ahem, ahem ... - Album on Imgur
So I hope you understand my point now. ... (I thought it would be unfriendly to not answer and hope you are OK with it.)
JUST ONE LAST QUESTION concerning the mystery-dials:
If you would have to decide between a movable display and the oh-so brilliant dials...
would you really go for the dials?? I hardly doubt that.
But I have the feeling many people blew up those wheels into being something totally sensational, so we now have the problem,
that RICOH chose to listen to those customers... and maybe heard the wrong music play, which in their ears was:
mode dials more important than moveable display. pls pls, pentaxians need more of those mode dials. :) ?
I really believe RICOH-PENTAX Imaging produces great cameras, but we are a niche brand now.
And when it comes to money and production efforts, decisions have to be made, and if you sing the wrong songs in here...
(you do have a loads of visits) you may end up with "brilliant" dials but without a moveable display.
I am also aware of the fact, that I am not part of the majority, when I admit the awful truth:
Moveable displays in my humble oppinion also are a thing I dont need.
I am also one of the few people who is really happy about the fixed display and the closed case,
because you will see that many of you will be happy as a clam with the solution RICOH will offer ...
I am pretty sure the K-3III will be a supersolid tank of a camera and way more reliable than some Canon body.
(I have bad experiences with Canon gear throwing odd error numbers at me all the time )
THING is: You can argue FOR or AGAINST the wheels, I dont care anymore, I do have my point, and others have theirs.
For me its totally OK, and again like I said:
having the mystery-dials on the camera or not will not play a role on my other thoughts about this camera.
I just wanted to make clear for me there is a little bit more to the issue, than "just not liking them" .
But I will let you live with your oppinions and decisions from now on.
So since I hope i was able to answer jpzk's and sandys questions I am not going into this again. Far more interesting:
To avoid any misunderstanding, I understand your point, and the fact that I dont like SOME things about FUJI does not mean I dont like ALL things about FUJI.
For one, I like many ideas and design elements in fuji cameras that dont sacrifice "integrity" or "functionality"...
For instance that they seem to prefer metal over plastic and some models are aviable silver colored with brown leathering... ^^
Jokes aside, ...
I think thats a good idea you did jot down here, but I am not so sure, if there would not be some other options for sensor.
I can always only talk for myself, but I would buy such a camera even if it offered only 20-24MP on its full frame sensor...
And i really think it does not have to be too rugged or so, if it does or should not play in the flagship price-league.
I would be OK with it if it would be just WR.
You already said it for yourself... the question is if RICOH would offer the resources to produce such a body to their PENTAX Imaging Team. Not if it can.
And when you think about how you can avoid spliting off potential K-1 league buyers, the only way I see for now would be to keep the pixel count way below 40-36MP....
and I dont think that 36MP would be the only option and fear that would still be too much.
Looking at all the 24MP Sensors Nikon might have bought from Sony, I am pretty sure they still offer lower pixel-count FF sensors for very reasonable prices.
(D780 => 24,5MP)
RICOH will just have to be convinced somehow, that people would buy such a camera.
Not so long ago I had a talk with an official from RICOH and they could have dropped the K-1 way earlier(around when the first K-3 arrived) if they wanted to.
But the problem was that nearly no one from the japanese leadership team had high hopes or believed at all that a Pentax Full Frame would sell at all.
And partly they may have been right to do so.
They first had to cook up the forums, and drop FF lens designs at some photo-expos to make people curious and talk about it.
And they did quite good, because despite being not a D850... The Pentax K-1 Mark I sold really excellent and the Mark II also sold quite well and still ranks in high at several camera Top 10's in some magazines and websites.
So I think it is very possible that Pentax decides to drop a cheaper "not so pro"-model around the same time they deliver a K-1 Mark II successor...
And how this will look like, could indeed depend on our discussions in here.
So be careful what you wish for ... you might get it.
Which brings me to the thought, that such a K-?0 Full Frame camera (however the bodys physical appearance is designed) could come
in multicolored variants like other pentax models before... I always liked that.
Just imagine a pentax full frame DSLR - jamaican style ^^
#pentaxlove
(sry bout the bad english by the way.)
No honestly, stop thinkin about what i said about the dials, I have just dropped my 2 cents, and you asked for an explanation by imputing pretense to me when using the word
"purported"
...admited my english is bad and I am not Butler Yates, but I do know how to use a dictionary sandy.
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